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Old July 3rd, 2016, 05:25 PM   #15741
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The Stryków-Tuszyn section of the newly opened part of the A1:

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Old July 4th, 2016, 04:24 AM   #15742
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Sad to see a motorway opening being politicised on SSC, I hope it's a one off!
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Old July 4th, 2016, 01:57 PM   #15743
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Wow, I didn't realize that this road would be so close to Auschwitz concentration camp. I hope there will be no protests in that issue.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 03:41 PM   #15744
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What is the expected opening date for the A4 Rzeszów to Jaroslaw?

I know it is towards the end of July 2016
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Old July 4th, 2016, 04:39 PM   #15745
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Wow, I didn't realize that this road would be so close to Auschwitz concentration camp. I hope there will be no protests in that issue.
It is an ongoing issue.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 04:43 PM   #15746
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Wow, I didn't realize that this road would be so close to Auschwitz concentration camp. I hope there will be no protests in that issue.
As a matter of fact if option E has been chosen it shouldn't be an issue. It is, along with option A placed farthest away from the camp. The only close road would be connecting road which still wouldn't be closer than 600-700m at one point.
Nevertheless protests are to be expected...

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Old July 4th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #15747
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Wow, I didn't realize that this road would be so close to Auschwitz concentration camp. I hope there will be no protests in that issue.
Israel only asked that the road not cross the actual territory of the camp or be so close as to disturb the eery quiet of the camp.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 09:41 PM   #15748
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As far as I understand the issue, it has not been completely resolved.

The proposed DK44 connector (functionally Oświęcim bypass) would run very close to Auschwitz-Birkenau camp site, as seen on the map posted above. Change of S1 alignment does not change much from this sites point of view.

This is a very difficult problem.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 10:26 PM   #15749
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It wouldn't go that close unless we understand word "close" differently. There are some settlements in between camp and planned road and taking into consideration how humongous size noise barriers are built in Poland, that shouldn't be na issue:



BTW there are two concentration camp sites by connecting road. Another one is here which makes things even more complex:

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Old July 4th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #15750
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Will the DK44 be a single carriageway?

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BTW there are two concentration camp sites by connecting road.
They were not concentration camps. They were extermination camps. For millions of people, it is very hurtful when someone understates what was done there. I understand that English is not everyone's first language, but this is an important point. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, that is not my intent.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #15751
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Please don't make this a point of discussion.
Nobody here rejects history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps
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Old July 4th, 2016, 10:38 PM   #15752
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Having driven DK44 the proximity doesn't seem like a big issue... and would help clear the internal roads of Oswecim, and noise issues should be little with the small traffic load of that highway. Birkenau isn't that quiet anyway (perhaps more quiet than one would expect with the hundreds of people walking around, but noisier than an empty field...)
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Old July 4th, 2016, 10:43 PM   #15753
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I've been there on a school trip in the early 2000s. It was foggy, quiet, eerie and quite spooky. Everyone went all chatting and happy in the bus on the way to there. On the way back, everyone was quiet and feeling down. It was an important experience for me though.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:04 PM   #15754
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For me it was driving, the road from Oswiecim curves and passes over a train tracks, as you clear the curve that infamous main gate comes out of nowhere, then I realized what those tracks were for, my heart just sank... like you say, it's an important experience.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:14 PM   #15755
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It wouldn't go that close unless we understand word "close" differently. There are some settlements in between camp and planned road and taking into consideration how humongous size noise barriers are built in Poland, that shouldn't be na issue:
(...)
As far as I understand there are following issues:
1) change of surrounding area of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp (visual aspect),
2) noise impact
3) the issue of ashes / human remains buried around the camp.

1 & 2 are easy to mitigate - it is a matter of design & money.

No. 3 has never been 100% investigated. Every square meter of the proposed alignment needs to checked. After that what will be found requires an appropriate handling. So little & so much.

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BTW there are two concentration camp sites by connecting road. Another one is here which makes things even more complex:
Auschwitz I camp is in the middle of the city, it is a far easier one to tackle.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:16 PM   #15756
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Will the DK44 be a single carriageway?
The environmental impact assessment assumed GP 2x2 class on this section if I remember correctly.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:16 PM   #15757
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Wasn't it a possibility to build the access road to Oświęcim on the north side of the town, farther from Auschwitz?
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Old July 4th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #15758
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They would need another crossing of Wisla but it's not very big...
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3) the issue of ashes / human remains buried around the camp.

No. 3 has never been 100% investigated. Every square meter of the proposed alignment needs to checked. After that what will be found requires an appropriate handling. So little & so much.
There is no question about that. It would probably be one big exhumation site. It is important and also time consuming. However there was many motorways projects in the past that had to be postponed by conducting archeological works...so I guess it is still doable...
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Old July 5th, 2016, 04:07 AM   #15760
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Maybe just build S1 (paying appropriate attention) and class DK 44 as a lower priority?
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