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Old August 15th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #15881
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Construction permit was issued and first construction works started on upgrading the old "Gierkówka" near Warsaw to motorway standard.

S8: Siestrzeń – Paszków 11.6km (August 2016 to October 2018) – projectmap
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Old August 15th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #15882
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Nice map (with few unimportant mistakes):

Asphalt (blue) vs Concrete (orange)

* dashed lines = planned or build

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Old August 15th, 2016, 11:06 PM   #15883
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Few unimportant mistakes? I think there is many important mistakes. What's the link Poznan-Łódź? It's not the S11, Am I wrong? Where is S51?.... Very strange localisation of A1/A2 interchange, etc.
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Old August 16th, 2016, 07:49 AM   #15884
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The link between Poznań and Łódź is not S11 but A2. S11 links the Upper Silesia agglomeration with Poznań. The grey line above Poznań is S11 but lower it is just something(not S11). It finishes at Tarnowskie Góry(śląskie), definitely not somewhere near Sieradz. S51 is shown as a grey line, and, yeah, that's a mistake. However, I don't think you can trust much the Polish cementers, can you? Better have this map(even though it doesn't show the paving)
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Old August 16th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #15885
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Few unimportant mistakes? I think there is many important mistakes. What's the link Poznan-Łódź? It's not the S11, Am I wrong? Where is S51?.... Very strange localisation of A1/A2 interchange, etc.
Yes, those are still not important issues.

General look of the map is clear. It's interesting anyway. I didn't realize we plan to build so much concrete roads.
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Old August 16th, 2016, 07:16 PM   #15886
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I'm personally not a fan of concrete motorways. The durability sounds appealing, but it's noisy and drainage capabilities are rather poor.

In addition, replacing or repairing concrete has a significant impact on traffic flow. Unlike asphalt, there is less flexibility with workzone lane configuration and replacement takes much longer than repaving asphalt.

In countries like the Netherlands, France or Italy, which require a high availability of capacity they almost never use concrete, to reduce impact of maintenance on traffic flow. Repaving asphalt can be done during the night or weekends, which is a reason why there are hardly any construction zones at all on the Dutch motorway network. The same goes for France and much of Italy.

Another problem with concrete are possible deficiencies in the construction process, which requires expensive and lengthy repairs compared to asphalt. Many 1990s Autobahnen in eastern Germany suffer from concrete cancer and require complete replacement much sooner than anticipated.

A second problem with concrete is the rather slow process of deterioration. This sounds good because it lasts longer, but could result in years or even decades of uncomfortable driving conditions, as they repair only small sections at the time, which are almost impossible to repair smoothly, so the pavement becomes bumpy, but not bad enough to warrant expensive replacement works.
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Old August 18th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #15887
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Many on the Polish forum agree with ChrisZwolle, however the concrete lobby has unfortunately as of lately been very successful in promoting idea of building concrete motorways/expressways in PL.

In PL vast majority of roads are built with a wide central divide allowing for easy upgrade to 3*2 layout. Unfortunately concrete surfacing will make any future upgrading difficult. Also most motorway construction companies still have a significant problem with achieving satisfactory surface quality. Moreover there is the seemingly unsolvable problem of excess road noise generated by concrete paving.
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Old August 18th, 2016, 03:24 PM   #15888
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Moreover there is the seemingly unsolvable problem of excess road noise generated by concrete paving.
That is partially why we have another lobby - "noise barrier lobby" that forces us to built that monster size walls along motorways often in the middle of nowhere...
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Old August 18th, 2016, 10:59 PM   #15889
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Although the lobby seems to be defeated for the time being. After the construction of the A1 near Łódź, there are people complaining about the noise and some barriers will, most likely, have to be added. Which is a much more sensible way then putting those barriers everywhere, as it was with A2 Łódź-Warsaw.
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Old August 25th, 2016, 03:46 AM   #15890
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Expressways under construction:

S7 małopolskie/świętokrzyskie border ---> Kielce bypass and existing part to Skarżysko-Kamienna:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSgBr_TgEQ

S12 second stage of Puławy bypass------> junction 'Kurów Zachód' (connection with S17):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCK1Bxq1L_0
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Old August 25th, 2016, 07:33 AM   #15891
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Many on the Polish forum agree with ChrisZwolle, however the concrete lobby has unfortunately as of lately been very successful in promoting idea of building concrete motorways/expressways in PL.

In PL vast majority of roads are built with a wide central divide allowing for easy upgrade to 3*2 layout. Unfortunately concrete surfacing will make any future upgrading difficult. Also most motorway construction companies still have a significant problem with achieving satisfactory surface quality. Moreover there is the seemingly unsolvable problem of excess road noise generated by concrete paving.
As far as I see from the poll made by me, more drivers are in favour of asphalt: 32 to 18
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Old August 26th, 2016, 12:30 PM   #15892
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When is that A4 bridge near Przeworsk will be opened?
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Old August 26th, 2016, 03:08 PM   #15893
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When is that A4 bridge near Przeworsk will be opened?
The closed off carriageway on WA9 is set to open end of August?

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Old August 26th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #15894
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Today there was a conference on S52(Kraków Northern Bypass(POK)). In Polish
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Old August 26th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #15895
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That would be a first S/A class complete ring road of major city in Poland when finished. Unless we count Gdansk S6/S7... and S14 around Lodz is not finished...
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Old August 26th, 2016, 10:39 PM   #15896
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The only thing we can count is the Łódź ring bypass, because Trójmiasto has a bypass, but no ring, or even half-ring. Probably Łódź bypass will be earlier
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Old August 26th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #15897
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Sorry but seems that because of the sea Tricity will never have full ring road.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 03:10 AM   #15898
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Hahaha, exactly!
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Old August 27th, 2016, 07:02 PM   #15899
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Sorry but seems that because of the sea Tricity will never have full ring road.
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Japan knows how to do it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Bay_Aqua-Line

Maybe when Trojmiasto gets to 20 M population it will be economical to make
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Old August 27th, 2016, 07:22 PM   #15900
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Well, I meant that the S6(Trójmiasto bypass) can't be a half-ring because for that there should be a road bypassing the Obłuże district in Gdynia. So that the half ring is that road+Trójmiasto bypass+S7 to DK89+ DK89 itself.
I don't wish, however, that these cities had 20 mln people - 600000 is just fine.
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