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Old October 9th, 2017, 09:29 PM   #16581
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The toll system is unfair. Either all "A" and "S" should be tolled for passenger vehicles, or none of them.

With currently planned toll system, someone from Łódź will have to pay for driving in 4 directions, but someone from Wrocław or Poznań will only have to pay for driving in two directions... despite the comfort of travel being virtually the same for all cases (or even lower on "A" roads due to higher traffic volumes).
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Old October 9th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #16582
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For me, the most logical thing to do would be to make motorways tolled and expressways toll-free for cars. It would be absolutely clear then, and technical standards wouldn't have anything to do with it - except perhaps requiring a minimum standard of road (current S-standard) before tolls can be introduced.

I'd also suggest that expressways should also have blue signs rather than green ones.
In my opinion all S-roads should become A-roads since the standards are almost identical (well, except for S22, S19 etc.). And nobody says that all new A-roads should have a 140km/h speed limit just because they became highways. It means that roads designed for 120km/h, like the S3, could hold there speed limits. This "system" is also used in other countries. For example, the highest speed limit in the Netherlands is 130km/h but it doesn't mean that it applies on every highway (120 and 100km/h are used quite often).
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Old October 9th, 2017, 11:02 PM   #16583
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In Germany the speed limit (if there is one) alternates between 120 and 130 km/h, depending on the state you're in. Most people don't even notice that difference. I don't see a real problem in Poland using 120 km/h for one motorway and 140 km/h for the other, as long as it is clearly signposted.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:14 AM   #16584
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Having 120 km/h as limit for S-roads and 140 km/h for A-roads makes signposting the limits obsolete.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #16585
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Not if the most S-roads become A-roads
The S-prefix should be reserved for roads like the S22 (1+1) or 2+1 roads with grade separations
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Old October 10th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #16586
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A contract was signed for the missing section of S7 motorway in Skarżysko-Kamienna.

S7: Skarżysko-Kamienna-North – Skarżysko-Kamienna-South 7.6km (October 2017 to May 2020) – project – map

Some ecoterrorists were blocking this project (claiming that building the Skarżysko-North junction will do harm to butterflies - no kidding), but apparently all these environmental-bureaucratic issues have ben resolved.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 06:52 PM   #16587
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There’s only one word for it: finally! Years of delays, arguing and scuffling are over at last. This means that:
  • the whole expressway in Świętokrzyskie Voivodeship will be completed in May 2020 (97 kilometers);
  • including the adjacent sections in Masovian Voivodeship, the expressway will reach Grójec (200 kilometers);
  • come spring 2021, along with completion of a new expressway from Grójec to the capital, one will be able to travel from Kielce to Warsaw Chopin Airport in 1.5 hours.

I think it's appropriate to remember one of the makers of all this trouble - succisa pratensis, a flowering plant that needed to be removed because it hosted larvae of euphydryas aurinia, a butterfly of the Nymphalidae family:

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Old October 10th, 2017, 08:28 PM   #16588
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GDDKiA report for 2017. Nice shots of new expressways:


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Old October 11th, 2017, 05:48 PM   #16589
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Krakow Airport + (A4) highway by Jasq

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Old October 12th, 2017, 05:13 AM   #16590
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It can not be. The queue to the payment gates is 10 times too short
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Old October 12th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #16591
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S7 Lubien - Rabka section

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Old October 13th, 2017, 01:04 PM   #16592
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Krakow Airport + (A4) highway by Jasq
I guess it's done very early, as the traffic volume at the toll plaza is so low

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In my opinion all S-roads should become A-roads since the standards are almost identical (well, except for S22, S19 etc.).
And S8 Piotrków Tryb.-Warsaw.

As for me, it's proper motorway of kind that might be seen at many old motorways in Western Europe. But due to many speed limits of 100 kph and bus stops (!) that are built ridiculously (e.g. many petrol stations there are able to reach only from service ways, while bus stops are placed directly on the road) it need next works to reach A-standards... It's a pity, as those speed limits are rather unuseful (there's no single stretch that forces such a limit) and bus stops would be done outside.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 07:44 PM   #16593
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Upcoming openings:

October
S3 Sulechów - Zielona Góra North (2nd carriageway): ~14 km (with the exception of bridge on Oder which will be completed 2 years later)
S5 Korzeńsko - Żmigródek: ~6 km

November
S7 Rychnowo - Olsztynek West: ~11 km
S19 Świlcza - Rzeszów South: ~6 km

Uncertain, but possibly November:
S8 Marki - Radzymin South: ~16 km
S5 Żmigródek - Krościna: ~14 km
S8 Prosienica - Zambrów West: ~15 km
S5 Kryniczno - Wrocław North: ~7 km

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Old October 15th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #16594
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Are there any plans to rebuild the border crossing in Świecko and remove those exchange offices etc?
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Old October 15th, 2017, 08:43 PM   #16595
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Yes:
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https://www.docdroid.net/2lRBfG7/i4.pdf
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Old October 16th, 2017, 12:07 AM   #16596
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First 2*3 experimental signage in Poland on S8 expressway bypassing Marki (stretch by Astaldi) by Bezimienny17. Bypass of Marki (S8) was supposed to have old signage but at the last minute GDDKiA changed it to experimental. Unfortunately the rest of new S8 being built between Warszawa and Bialystok is stuck with horrible old signage.

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Old October 16th, 2017, 02:37 AM   #16597
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Well, it is way better than the old signage, but there is still much work to do. In my opinion the best solution would be to copy and modify the principles of the Dutch NBA signage. It is clear, logical and looks good. I would post some of my works on the topic about new signage on the highway ([Drogi] Nowe oznakowanie autostradowe) but it is already dead

Anyways... people working for the GDDKiA and the Ministry of Infrastructure should leave Poland once in a while to see how it's done professionally
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Old October 16th, 2017, 03:19 AM   #16598
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Well, it is way better than the old signage, but there is still much work to do. In my opinion the best solution would be to copy and modify the principles of the Dutch NBA signage. It is clear, logical and looks good. I would post some of my works on the topic about new signage on the highway ([Drogi] Nowe oznakowanie autostradowe) but it is already dead

Anyways... people working for the GDDKiA and the Ministry of Infrastructure should leave Poland once in a while to see how it's done professionally
The best would be this:

http://www.drogowskazclassic.pl/przyklady.php

Drogowskaz Classic by MAG

Nothing for GDDKiA to do but to copy it.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 05:06 AM   #16599
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You could have put the author's nickname next to the photo as Kemo in the original Polish signage thread did... It's Bezimienny17. Respect the copyright.

I usually just use the quote function from the forum - it provides both nickname of the author and a link to the original post. And clearly marks that it is quotation.

Concerning the non-experimental signage...

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Talking about the Ministry of Infrastructure, they recently started questioning the use of experimental signage by GDDKiA, as it's against the law...
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Old October 16th, 2017, 01:30 PM   #16600
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The best would be this:

http://www.drogowskazclassic.pl/przyklady.php

Drogowskaz Classic by MAG

Nothing for GDDKiA to do but to copy it.
Yep, Drogowskaz Classic is a perfect solution too. The worst thing is that someone has done all the work for them and they don't even bother to apply it...
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