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Old November 24th, 2008, 01:58 PM   #1661
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It isn`t a motor- or ekspressway. It is "only" a national road. So the shoulders are not so wide.
We have in Poland the shinest crashbarriers in the world because there are so many polish people here
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Old November 24th, 2008, 02:54 PM   #1662
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The Polish like to polish with polish, right?

So it's DK22? Strange, why not make this an S-road? Did they make it DK so that they don't have to make wide shoulders?
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Old November 24th, 2008, 02:56 PM   #1663
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It isn`t a motor- or ekspressway. It is "only" a national road.
But it is reserved only for motor vehicles, right? Is it equipped with the blue sign with car? It's for sure good enough not to allow scooters on.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 02:59 PM   #1664
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AFAIK the DK18 also prohibits unmotorized vehicles and scooters. I've seen signs at exits saying that.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:32 PM   #1665
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Nice pics! So this is part of the Berlinka?
Not the historical one See this page: www.berlinka.pcp.pl (also in German)

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But it is reserved only for motor vehicles, right? Is it equipped with the blue sign with car? It's for sure good enough not to allow scooters on.
Sadly it's not, but it is most likely for cars only.

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AFAIK the DK18 also prohibits unmotorized vehicles and scooters. I've seen signs at exits saying that.
It's a motorway, doesn't matter how it is marked(like Struma)
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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:37 PM   #1666
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It's probably a motorway, but it's a DK road, so there need to be special signs probiting certain vehicles.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #1667
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Yes

BTW: Every motorway is a DK road, but not every DK road be a motorway.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 05:30 PM   #1668
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How about you guys change the word "motorway" into "motorroad"?

Timon, why couldn't a DK road have the motorroad sign (blue with car)? And PLH, Polish motorroads (especially good ones) are usually S roads.

Btw, how do you ban ALL non-motor vehicles other than with the blue sign with car? We don't have a sign, which would ban all non-motor vehicles (except the blue one, or the green motorway one).

PS: what will be the speed limit on the new part of the DK22?
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Old November 24th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #1669
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Timon, why couldn't a DK road have the motorroad sign (blue with car)?
Sure they can, but here the shoulder are too narrow.

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And PLH, Polish motorroads (especially good ones) are usually S roads.
Apart fron city sections(exits too densely located)

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Btw, how do you ban ALL non-motor vehicles other than with the blue sign with car? We don't have a sign, which would ban all non-motor vehicles (except the blue one, or the green motorway one).


But still it doesn't ban all non car vehicles.

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100 km/h
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Old November 24th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #1670
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But still it doesn't ban all non car vehicles.
Exactly, scooter is missing. They aren't appropriate on a 100-km/h road.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 05:58 PM   #1671
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The speed limit for scooters is 45 km/h over here. The top speed for most scooters is 50 km/h. Most youth with a scooter have scooters that can go way faster
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Old November 24th, 2008, 06:05 PM   #1672
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Scooters are popular on south Italian urban motorways.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #1673
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But it is reserved only for motor vehicles, right? Is it equipped with the blue sign with car? It's for sure good enough not to allow scooters on.
It's GP road Droga główna ruchu przyspieszonego what means main road of accelerated traffic In simplier words, a ordinary national road but with two carriageways
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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #1674
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In simplier words, a ordinary national road but with two carriageways
It's not that easy There are new, GP-classified national roads with one carriageway, like DK50.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:51 PM   #1676
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It's not that easy There are new, GP-classified national roads with one carriageway, like DK50.
WTF Since when ? It seems like we have some innovation in our laws

How different they are from normal national roads ?
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Old November 24th, 2008, 08:06 PM   #1677
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WTF Since when ? It seems like we have some innovation in our laws
It has been for a long time now.

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The only difference I know about is that GP roads must have pedestrian crossing located at road crossings, and G roads don't.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #1678
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The only difference I know about is that GP roads must have pedestrian crossing located at road crossings, and G roads don't.
There is more about minimal distance between intersections, lane's width, maximum length of straight section, shoulders and others.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droga_klasy_G
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Old November 25th, 2008, 11:50 AM   #1679
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Poland seems to be brilliant at building bypasses for small towns on national roads but not so fast at building more urgently needed motorways! Only 19 days until Strykow bypass opens
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Old November 25th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #1680
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Poland seems to be brilliant at building bypasses for small towns on national roads but not so fast at building more urgently needed motorways! Only 19 days until Strykow bypass opens
Hopefully something is going to change in the near future. This crazy world crisis might delay it a little.
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