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Old July 22nd, 2007, 07:31 PM   #161
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I see... maybe their quality will also vary from one to another, which happens to for example in french expressways, where some are real motorways, with all the features of a motorway, while other have same level intersections, etc...
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Old July 22nd, 2007, 07:41 PM   #162
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From Polish Wikipedia:

droga publiczna o ograniczonej dostępności, przeznaczoną wyłącznie do ruchu pojazdów samochodowych, wyposażona w jedną lub dwie jezdnie, posiadająca wielopoziomowe skrzyżowania z przecinającymi ją innymi drogami transportu lądowego i wodnego, z dopuszczeniem wyjątkowo jednopoziomowych skrzyżowań z drogami publicznymi. Droga ekspresowa wyposażona jest w urządzenia obsługi podróżnych, pojazdów i przesyłek, przeznaczone wyłącznie dla użytkowników drogi.

My Polish isn't very good, but it says there have to be multilevel junctions with other roads,
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Old July 22nd, 2007, 07:48 PM   #163
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Well, if they'il have different level access and shoulders, then they will be just like a regular motorways. Who cares if the lanes are 3.5m and not 3.75m wide?! A driver can't even tell the diference!
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Old July 22nd, 2007, 07:51 PM   #164
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Hehe. Expressways are cheaper, and more important; easier to build. You don't have to follow the extreme procedures of the EU to build a motorway. Like in the Netherlands, where they are trying to build a road, takes up to 10 years before construction actually starts.
So Polish government won't wait that long (damn right they are). Maybe some Drogowa Ekspresowa's (Expressways) will be up to motorway standards later.
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Old July 22nd, 2007, 10:55 PM   #165
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But if government want to upgrade some expressways to motorway they must build those expressways at very high standard because there are technical diffrences beetwen them
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Old July 23rd, 2007, 12:40 AM   #166
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Well, probably the geometry of the expressways is not as good as that of motorways. And that's not easy to fix, so if they want to upgrade them later, they better build them with good geometry feature.

But thinking about it, poland is mainly flat, so it shouldn't be difficult to build roads with good geometry.
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Old July 23rd, 2007, 12:42 AM   #167
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But if government want to upgrade some expressways to motorway they must build those expressways at very high standard because there are technical diffrences beetwen them
Give me one reasonable explanation what would it be for??? Can you see any reason to upgrade expressway into motorway???? I figure it's pointless, takes only money but no noticeable difference.
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Old July 23rd, 2007, 12:50 AM   #168
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If expressways are going to be that good (almost indistinguishable from motorways), I don't see what's the point of expressways
If they're almost the same they should built them all as motorways right away.

But I guess not all the expressways will have such higher standards.
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Old July 23rd, 2007, 11:57 AM   #169
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I saw they were building a lot. But i don´t know how fast they are.

One very interesting thing .... no matter what kind of road it will get, you see every little village with just a few inhabitans will have it´s own exit.

This isn´t here that normal in Austria

The street was:

1-1 in every direction now. with trucks, farmers machines.

The average speed can go down till just 20 km/h on same parts.

which brings people to overtake at some risky places

also it looked like, if 1-2 km are finished - > they use it.

good for the people, but bad for the quality, when every small part has to be integrated to the existing road
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Old July 25th, 2007, 12:38 AM   #170
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I think there is a big misconception or misunderstanding here. Polish expressways would most likely be classified as full blown highways outside of Poland. They are indeed very good. To a casual driver there isn't really much difference except for rest areas and call boxes which are more prominent on highways (toll ones). The plan calls for close to 5000km of expressways and highways.

Here are some recent examples of S1 (Cieszyn to Bielsko-Biala). Photos by Kronos KBC.



































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Old July 25th, 2007, 01:20 AM   #171
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Widthwise polish expressway is exactly the same as Slovakian highway, so indeed, they don't differ much from eachother.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 01:21 AM   #172
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Yeah only the emergency lanes are a bit narrow. But who cares? It's a great improvement from all those old Droga Krajowa's.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 01:54 AM   #173
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...... old Droga Krajowa's.
You are a serious motorway freak my friend obviously in a positive meaning
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Old July 25th, 2007, 04:21 AM   #174
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As if someone could read the signs so far away from the motorway.
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Old July 25th, 2007, 06:21 AM   #175
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I can see what it says almost from this position, Mercedes-benz etc... That should certainly be no problem when you drive next to it. It can't be much closer to the road anyways because it's right next to a steep slope.
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this is great road. so it´s no problem to get from border to A4 :-)
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As if someone could read the signs so far away from the motorway.
This pic is obviously zoomed, and the advertising signs are almost as wide as 2 lanes, so it won't be a problem to read them from nearby.
But who's interested in advertising anyway?

The only advertising i like is a huge yellow M on a pole nah just kidding.
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This pic is obviously zoomed, and the advertising signs are almost as wide as 2 lanes, so it won't be a problem to read them from nearby.
But who's interested in advertising anyway?

The only advertising i like is a huge yellow M on a pole nah just kidding.
I miss something..where is the viaduct? It seems a bit steep..do down so much,then back up again...
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That's because this pic is quite zoomed. I bet that next car is like 500m away.
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Old July 26th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #180
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That's because this pic is quite zoomed. I bet that next car is like 500m away.
I would say 250 meters, look how many posts are in between the photographer and the next car???? The distance between 2 posts is roughly 50 meters so we can clearly see that there are 5 of them ahead of us, which in total makes 250 meters away.
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