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Old July 19th, 2007, 06:20 AM   #61
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Hey no worries you'll have some lurkers start to post here shortly.

Getting back to IE, your absolutely right about business choosing neighboring Counties to do business. I'm not sure what proposal or incentives the IE is offering businesses to lure them back.

One thing the IE has is endless land waiting to be developed. Thing San Bernardino County is running or will run out in a near future.

Also there's some brand new shops that look pretty sharp off the 15, between the 90 and Lake Elsinore...
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Old July 19th, 2007, 06:28 AM   #62
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^ It's hard to believe that with the new wave of residents the IE is attracting, there's people out there who demand to preserve the IE as is. Their going to fight a loosing battle and eventually they would have to move out to Arizona or something. The IE is not going to loose out on soooo much revenue in the coming years.
You have to understand that the area around downtown Riverside is surrounded by old homes. Some of which are over 100 years old. The people who live there have lived there for many many years. Those people are usually old money and are not really into new and modern things. While they have done extremely well at preserving the neighboorhood, they have to understand that we are no longer living in the Victorian age. Out of all the cities in the IE, Riverside is best suited to emerge as a great Southern California city.
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Old July 19th, 2007, 06:40 AM   #63
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^ Sounds like Downtown Riverside needs to be preserve then. While new development can be built on the outskirts of Downtown Riverside. The question is how lure big business to the IE before they open shop somewhere else.
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Old July 19th, 2007, 07:00 AM   #64
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^ Sounds like Downtown Riverside needs to be preserve then. While new development can be built on the outskirts of Downtown Riverside. The question is how lure big business to the IE before they open shop somewhere else.
Downtown Riverside should..or is rather..expanding both north down Market Street towards Fairmont Park (large man made lake/park), and east up University Ave towards UCR..though University Ave still has a way to go.
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The Downtown Specific Plan stresses preservation of the three very historic single-family neighborhoods that are currently downtown. I'm talking about the oceans of surface parking, the automotive establishments, and the derelict buildings that for some reason people don't want to see go.

But ThreeHundred, you're exactly right, those are the areas targeted for the heaviest redevelopment.
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With the flock of new residents moving in within the next 10 years. The IE is going to give SB County a run for it's money. While Los Angeles County would succeed as usual, it would be interesting what the future will bring to SB & IE...
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Old July 19th, 2007, 07:16 AM   #67
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[QUOTE=unmentioned;14340701]The Downtown Specific Plan stresses preservation of the three very historic single-family neighborhoods that are currently downtown. I'm talking about the oceans of surface parking, the automotive establishments, and the derelict buildings that for some reason people don't want to see go.


^ Can you post some pix of these Historic Hoods for our viewing pleasure. So we can get an idea what you guys are talking about?
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Old July 19th, 2007, 07:19 AM   #68
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The Downtown Specific Plan stresses preservation of the three very historic single-family neighborhoods that are currently downtown. I'm talking about the oceans of surface parking, the automotive establishments, and the derelict buildings that for some reason people don't want to see go.


^ Can you post some pix of these Historic Hoods for our viewing pleasure. So we can get an idea what you guys are talking about?
I think the 2 main areas of historic homes are those under and around Mout Rubidoux and the Historic Wood Streets.
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if you want to get technical, from Chino Hills eastward to the San Bernardino Mountains, is all considered the IE, all cities in both counties.

The region should work as a whole to secure sound growth, both physically and economically... I think a strong Regional Plan is in order.
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Old July 19th, 2007, 07:24 AM   #70
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I think the 2 main areas of historic homes are those under and around Mout Rubidoux and the Historic Wood Streets.
The Wood Streets are not included in the Downtown Specific Plan, but the Cedar Avenue/Almond Street/Redwood Avenue area at the foot of Rubidoux is, as well as one East of Market and North of 3rd.
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if you want to get technical, from Chino Hills eastward to the San Bernardino Mountains, is all considered the IE, all cities in both counties.

The region should work as a whole to secure sound growth, both physically and economically... I think a strong Regional Plan is in order.
So what's the strong regional plan that's in order and what benefits would it bring to the table?
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Ok..found some pics.

Here is Colony Heights (homes under Mt. Rubidoux)



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one that identifies issues as far as traffic, housing, jobs, and quality of life in the whole valley, and then tackles ways to remedy them. Also, one that creates a means to tie the whole region together, not as a bunch of individual cities vying for tax dollars but one that creates specialized hubs of activity. One that preserves open space and accomodates growth on a regionwide scale. One that provides for regional, not just municipal, transit. One that will utilize our three major airports to their full potential, and links them accordingly. One that makes a region of almost 5 million people the economic powerhouse it should be, and the destination and pleasant place to live and work it can be.
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people underestimate how beautiful this city can be.
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Pretty cool looking homes, just like the one's in Angelino Heights.

So those homes are situated close proximity to Downtown Riverside.
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Hey unmentioned..how would you improve downtown Riverside?
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people underestimate how beautiful this city can be.

Not many are aware of what Riverside has to offer. Since it's just another County you drive by to get to your next destination...

Unless they know someone who moved here and just loves the place to death.
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Not many are aware of what Riverside has to offer. Since it's just another County you drive by to get to your next destination...

Unless they know someone who moved here and just loves the place to death.
Riverside is the only 'true' city in the IE. There is no reason to go to San Berdo. Place looks like the bad parts of Detroit. I do however like going out to the desert only because I know a guy who can get me free ATV rides on the side of a mountain that overlooks the famous windmills. But Riverside, while not being the first place I would ever move to, will suffice for now. And you can feel it in the air that change is coming.
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oh man... wow...

Mixed use, mixed use, mixed use.

There needs to be a strong retail core, but that can't be supported until there is a FULL-TIME residency in the densest areas - not just Colony Heights or Almond Street or Prospect Place - to patronize restaurants, bars, cafes, clubs not just at the lunch hour.

Offices with higher-end tenants to attract higher-paid workers who will live in swankier residential units. DT is mostly low income, which there is nothing wrong with, but we need a healthy mix to spur development. Not to be offensive, but poverty doesn't too often attract tenants for retail and offices.

Reconnect 9th Street.

Get the goddamn mall renovation underway.

Send ALL parking underground. Use every space possible; downtown needs to be crawling with people at all times so that businesses can actually have a clientele.

Widen sidewalks, replace sidewalks.

Convert historic buildings (like Rouse's Department Store and the Stalder) to residential lofts with retail below.

Visually and psychologically link Downtown and the Marketplace areas, in effect, expand Downtown to both sides of the freeway.

Lastly, create visual highlights - eg, a SKYLINE, or some really significant public art or landmarks - make it recognizable.

I'm sure I could think of much, much more.
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I would have to agree about SB looking a bit on the ruff side these days. Although they do have a lot of companies moving in for some reason. Not sure how there fishing and/or tactics are but it's working miracles. Riverside to me focus more on Housing than companies. So now you have the needed residents, but 3 out 5 are commuting out to go to work. Which you want people to make the money to pay taxes and waste the money in the IE, not benefit another County while you reside in a another County. That is not benefiting Riverside at all.
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