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Old February 27th, 2007, 02:29 PM   #21
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I don't take it too seriously coz it is NOT accurate and that is why I can't find any decent and CORRECT map....
just looka at Hungary or Croatio....completely unaccurate, but thanks aniway
Yes, but at least it's more or less accurate for the 'Western Europe'.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 02:56 PM   #22
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Yes, but at least it's more or less accurate for the 'Western Europe'.
Well, Spain and France are missing a lot of sections on that map.

Spain has the biggest motorwaysystem of Europe.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 02:59 PM   #23
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^ Oh come on, you're talking about a few kilometers.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 05:35 PM   #24
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Well, Spain and France are missing a lot of sections on that map.

Spain has the biggest motorwaysystem of Europe.
have not! Germany and France have larger, probably Italy either.
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have not! Germany and France have larger, probably Italy either.
Spain: 13.156km
Germany: 12.200km
France: 12.000km
Italy: 6.621km
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Old February 27th, 2007, 09:10 PM   #26
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this is definitely both motorways + dual carriageways. Spain has the largest net of dual carriegways in Europe, while Germany almost doesn't know for them because they have mostly full profiled motorways (+bundesstrassen)
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this is definitely both motorways + dual carriageways. Spain has the largest net of dual carriegways in Europe, while Germany almost doesn't know for them because they have mostly full profiled motorways (+bundesstrassen)
In Spain, you have Autopista's and Autovia's.

the only difference is that AP's are tolled, and AV's are not. They have the same looks, and the same speed limit and rules.
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interesting: i have been a plenty times in Spain, but I've allways been traveling on autopistas. i thought that autovias are more narow, so with more narrow emergency lane. i know this tolled and untolled, but i didn't know that auvovias are allways untolled.
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The Autovia's are allowed to have some smaller shoulders, so they can be used in mountainous areas, where there is often not much space.

But whatever? Some German Autobahns doesn't have a shoulders at all

But you can look at viamichelin.com and check out Spain's huge autovia network!
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Old February 28th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #30
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I bought new Croatian Automobile Club's European Highway Atlas, and there are almost all cpuntries and main cities in Europe except Russia Aand Ukraine, but then I realised that vamichelin.com is also not accurate enough
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Old February 28th, 2007, 04:46 PM   #31
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"Autoroutes" concessionaires network in France:
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Old February 28th, 2007, 06:08 PM   #32
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I bought new Croatian Automobile Club's European Highway Atlas, and there are almost all cpuntries and main cities in Europe except Russia Aand Ukraine, but then I realised that vamichelin.com is also not accurate enough
You can see that they're not accurate on the map of Cro anyway...
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The Autovia's are allowed to have some smaller shoulders, so they can be used in mountainous areas, where there is often not much space.

Actually there's absolutelly no diference between autovia's and autopista's designs standards. Same lane width, shoulder width, etc...

Still, there are some older autovias(some of the one's radiating from Madrid) with lower designs standards, but those will undergo major renovation works very soon, so they will be full motorway standard too.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 12:35 PM   #34
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Actually there's absolutelly no diference between autovia's and autopista's designs standards. Same lane width, shoulder width, etc....
Ar you sure ?

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autov%C3%ADa
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^ Maybe they are maintained worse?
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Old March 1st, 2007, 07:22 PM   #36
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From that article (in Spanish):

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actualmente las características de trazado de las nuevas autovías proyectadas no tienen prácticamente diferencia alguna con las de las autopistas.
"Actualmente" means "Nowadays", not "Actually". It's a false friend.

Anyway, this is a new autovía (A-12):


And a new autopista (AP-1)
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"Actualmente" means "Nowadays", not "Actually". It's a false friend.
I know, I'm french (nowadays=actuellement) and I speak Spanish...

But on the other way
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actualmente las características de trazado de las nuevas autovías proyectadas no tienen prácticamente diferencia alguna con las de las autopistas.
Doesn't mean "there's absolutelly no diference between autovia's and autopista's designs standards."

Moreover in this article it is also written:
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La diferencia fundamental entre autovía y autopista es que esta última está especialmente proyectada, construida y señalizada para la exclusiva circulación de automóviles
So I was thinking about Autovias in their globality and not only the last generations...

A-1 near Madrid:

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As i've said, there are some older autovias (Madrid's radials: A-1, A-2, A-3, etc..) that don't comply with modern motorway standards.
But those will be completelly refurbished and modernized(including changes on the geometry and completelly new parts) in the next few years.
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As i've said, there are some older autovias (Madrid's radials: A-1, A-2, A-3, etc..) that don't comply with modern motorway standards.
But those will be completelly refurbished and modernized(including changes on the geometry and completelly new parts) in the next few years.
So when you wrote "actually" you meant "nowadays" and not "in fact".
In that case, I agree with you: in the future, all autovias (new, u/c and renovated) will be equivalent to autopistas...
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So when you wrote "actually" you meant "nowadays" and not "in fact".
In that case, I agree with you: in the future, all autovias (new, u/c and renovated) will be equivalent to autopistas...
Yes, that's the point. You have more info about that in this article from the Spanish "Ministerio de Fomento" official magazine.


Back to the topic. In Spain (only tolled motorways):



AP-1 Burgos-Miranda: www.europistas.es

AP-1 Vitoria-Éibar: www.bidegi.net

AP-2 Zaragoza-Barcelona: www.autopistas.com

AP-4 Sevilla-Cádiz: www.aumar.es

AP-6 Villalba-Adanero: www.iberpistas.es

AP-7 La Jonquera-Barcelona-Tarragona: www.autopistas.com

AP-7 Tarragona-Valencia-Alicante: www.aumar.es

AP-7 Alicante-Cartagena: www.ausur.es

AP-7 Cartagena-Vera: www.aucosta.es

AP-7 Málaga-Estepona-Guadiaro: www.autopistadelsol.com

AP-8 Bilbao-Behovia: www.bidegi.net

AP-9 Ferrol-A Coruña-Vigo-O Porriño: www.audasa.es

AP-15 Tudela-Pamplona-Irurtzun: www.audenasa.es

AP-36 Ocaña-La Roda: www.autopistamadridlevante.com

AP-41 Madrid-Toledo: www.autopistamadridtoledo.com

AP-51 Villacastín-Ávila: www.iberpistas.es/historia_ap51.html

AP-61 San Rafael-Segovia: www.iberpistas.es/historia_ap61.html

AP-53 Santiago de Compostela-Ourense: www.acega.es

AP-66 León-Campomanes: www.aucalsa.com

AP-68 Bilbao-Logroño-Zaragoza: www.a68.com

AP-71 León-Astorga: www.aulesa.com

M-12 Madrid-Aeropuerto: www.ejeaeropuerto.com

R-2 Madrid-Guadalajara: www.radial-2.com

R-3 Madrid-Arganda: www.radial3.com

R-4 Madrid-Ocaña: www.radial4.com

R-5 Madrid-Navalcarnero: www.radial5.com

C-16 Terrassa-Manresa: www.autema.com

C-32 Palafolls-Montgat: www.autopistas.com

C-32 Viladecans-El Vendrell: www.aucat.es


Map: http://www.aseta.es/index.html


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