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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #2041
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Is the Oslo daily such a traffic jam disaster as today at tomtom?
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #2042
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No. Today was exceptional!
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #2043
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Is the Oslo daily such a traffic jam disaster as today at tomtom?
I don't know how it was today at Tomtom, but the city does have huge problems with traffic jams. It's probably due to a combination of outdated infrastructure and suburban sprawl.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:30 PM   #2044
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What a hell Does anyone know what was going on?
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Old May 15th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #2045
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According to Aftenposten most people took an additional day off to have a 5-day weekend combined with constitution day.

Oslo has a fairly extensive network of express roads, but much of it is heavily substandard by today's motorway standards. Even though not all fast roads around Oslo have motorway status, they are used as if they are motorways.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #2046
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I have a question regarding E39 between the end of the new tunnel and road project Eiganestunnelen and the planned Rogfast tunnel entrance near Randaberg. The current road is an ordinary 2-lane road with level crossings and some on/off ramps. Are there any plans for this stretch?



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Old May 15th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #2047
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I think E39 Smiene - Harestad is the project your'e looking for. That project will close the gap between Eiganestunnelen and Rogfast.
This is the alternative Statens Vegvesen has gone for.

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Old May 16th, 2013, 03:09 PM   #2048
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Have they ever used tunnel boring machines for road tunnels in Norway? All I see are shield tunnels dug with blasting.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #2049
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Is the Oslo daily such a traffic jam disaster as today at tomtom?
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What a hell Does anyone know what was going on?
Today appears to be equally bad.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #2050
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Old May 16th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #2051
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Have they ever used tunnel boring machines for road tunnels in Norway? All I see are shield tunnels dug with blasting.
Tunnel boring machines were used on some road tunnels in the 70s/80s. They haven't been used in recent years though.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 10:21 PM   #2052
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Usually there isn't more than 5 km jam entering Oslo from E18 Mosseveien, yesterday it was more like 15 km - and it was moving more slowly than usual (i passed Vinterbro after 9 am.)...
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Old May 16th, 2013, 11:42 PM   #2053
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Honestly I didn't expect the situation in Oslo to be that bad, with the entire ring road ready (but only 4 lanes). And I assume that due to so-called enviromental reasons no chances for widening?

I think certain well - developed European countries should picture and follow Dutch,and to an extent Danish policies from recent years as far as the highways-around-the-capital development is concerned.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #2054
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Some of it is being widened to 3 + 3.
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Old May 17th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #2055
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Thanks for the info, have you got AADT data?
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Old May 17th, 2013, 02:51 AM   #2056
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Some of it is being widened to 3 + 3.
The biggest issue is, of course, the lack of quality on- and off-ramps, the short distance between intersections and weaving problems. The eastern part of Ring 3 needs 3+3 lanes plus better intersections. 2+2 is sufficient on the western part, but ramps need to be extended and some exits need to be removed. Neither is happening, though, at least not in the short term.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #2057
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Vinge Tunnel

http://www.nrk.no/sognogfjordane/i-d...det-1.11029842

A new 4.8 kilometer tunnel opened in Sogn og Fjordane last Thursday. It's part of the Bremangersambandet project, which consists of 8.4 kilometers of new road (Fv 616) and shortens coastal traffic by 40 km or 45 minutes.

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Old May 19th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #2058
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I think certain well - developed European countries should picture and follow Dutch,and to an extent Danish policies from recent years as far as the highways-around-the-capital development is concerned.
It helps being flat and having extra high population density.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 01:09 AM   #2059
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Norwegian tunnels are always interesting. I didn't know this multiple tunnel in Tromso: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Troms%...vegia&t=m&z=16

And this portal looks like a parking: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Troms%...32.55,,0,10.86

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Old May 20th, 2013, 01:49 AM   #2060
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I tried to compile an overview of urban Norwegian road tunnels about 5 years ago. Some tunnels have been added since, but not in Tromsø, I believe:
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The Stockholm tunnels and the tunnel network of Praha look impressive.

To show to which degree tunnels have been an essential part of city planning in Norway lately, I have collected here a few maps/illustrations of urban tunnel systems in Norway that I am aware of. Like most of the Norwegian road system, most of the urban tunnel roads are not motorways. In most of the maps/illustrations tunnels are drawn with dashed lines. My "travel" starts in the north and continues around the coast line...

Tromsø (65 000)
Despite it's small size and isolated location, Tromsø has one of the most complete underground road systems of Norway:


Most of the network is two-way traffic roads with roundabout intersections, but the tunnel under the bay (Breivikatunnelen E8) is 2+2.


Trondheim (163 000)

Except Grilstadtunnelen, Trondheim's tunnel road system as shown above is still not completed. The western tunnels (two-way highways) will be completed in two years time, currently only one tunnel and the underground roundabout is open:

(Picture taken before opening). The construction of the new eastern road system, which will be 2+2 (and as far as I know, motorway) will start next year, and also include a new bridge across the river:


Bergen (246 000)



Highway 555 is motorway and E39 North/E16 is 2+2 with motorway characteristics, whereas I believe highway 540 is two-way.

Bergen also has a new 10 km 2+2 link, of which 8 km will be tunnels, in the south-west under construction ("Western ringroad") which will connect with the 555 and 549:


Stavanger (118 000)

The tunnels are two-lane/two-way roads I believe

Kristiansand (78 000)

The E18/E39 are 2+2 with motorway characteristics

Arendal (40 000)

Two-lane/two-way tunnels

Drammen (59 000)

Except E18, whose tunnel shortly will be motorway, the tunnels of Drammen are twoway/two lanes.
Indicated by name only on the map above is a quite unique tunnel of Drammen called "Spiralen" (the Spiral):

This tunnel spirals 163 m up and is 1650 m long. It's purpose? To give the Drammen population easy access to the ski areas on the hill above the city. I have no clue how they maneged to finance this little-trafficated tunnel back in 1961.

Sandvika (adm. center of Bærum, 108 000, suburb of Oslo)

E16 is 2+2, the other tunnels probably 2-lane/2-way

Oslo (553 000)


Tunnel system at the western end of Ring 3, 2+2 with motorway characteristics


Road system of central Oslo. The E18 tunnel is motorway (3+3), the others either 2+2 or two-way (except ramps of the E18 tunnel, of course).


Road system of eastern (central) Oslo. The highway 190 and the road (wrongly?) labeled E6 are 2+2 or 3+3 with motorway characteristics

As discussed above, the eastern and central tunnel systems will be connected once the harbor tunnel is finnished (As you can see, you don't have to drive for 6 km to get to the nearest exit!):


An overview of the highway systems of Oslo with current tunnels indicated can be found here.

In addition to the tunnels mentioned above, there are also many smaller tunnels and concrete covers where office buildings etc. are built, especially on the E18 going west out of Oslo.

Lillestrøm/Strømmen (45 000, north-east of Oslo)

Highway 159 is a motorway

Future developments
Regarding the Oslo-area at least, it seems like the development of putting the highways down into tunnels will accelerate further, it's strategy that has relatively broad support among all parties. In these days the new 40-50 billion NOK transport plan of Oslo is treated by the political system, and it looks like almost the whole length of E6 and E18 running through the city will be put under the surface, as well as several other roads. One part of this plan that has been discussed for a long time is the E18 from central Oslo west to beyond Sandvika, of more than 12 km:


Framnes (Close to Festningstunnelen) -Fornebu


Fornebu-Ramstadsletta


Ramstadsletta-Sandvika

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I have chosen not to include three cases where long subaqueous tunnels are entering some town centers, since the motivation behind building these tunnels was not to avoid urban area conflict but simply manage to cross a strait or fjord. The subaquous tunnels of Vardø (Europe's first), Kristiansund and Ålesund are in this class.
Alas some of my links from then seem to have died. Strange to see how the population figures appear so outdated already, Trondheim is 180 000 now I believe.
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