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Old September 30th, 2013, 03:07 AM   #2261
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:30 PM   #2262
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The government has decided to build a 2 lane expressway with a central barrier between Vigeland and Ålgård.

Just another example of a lack of ambitions for the future road network.
Well, we will hopefully have a new government soon, with Høyre (H) and Fremskrittspartiet (FrP). H has said that the road should be planned as a motorway, which is a BIG step away from the ridiculous current plans, which say that there will be a central divider, but it won't, not in the tunnels and so on.

The most probable plans calls for motorway Oslo-Vigeland within 2023, and then probably Vigeland-Ålgård within 2030, if not earlier.

My hope is that we can avoid spending ridiculous amounts of money on planning and building roundabouts and stupid 2+1 roads on a main corridor that will within the lifetime of the constructions have traffic well within motorway standards.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #2263
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Well, we will hopefully have a new government soon, with Høyre (H) and Fremskrittspartiet (FrP). H has said that the road should be planned as a motorway, which is a BIG step away from the ridiculous current plans, which say that there will be a central divider, but it won't, not in the tunnels and so on.

The most probable plans calls for motorway Oslo-Vigeland within 2023, and then probably Vigeland-Ålgård within 2030, if not earlier.

My hope is that we can avoid spending ridiculous amounts of money on planning and building roundabouts and stupid 2+1 roads on a main corridor that will within the lifetime of the constructions have traffic well within motorway standards.
Well it's gonna be interesting to see what kind of "motorway-standard" Vigeland-Ålgård might get. Høyre has had a crush on building 16m wide fourlaners the last couple of years, to build cheaper. That would be about the same that's being built between Kløfta and Kongsvinger. Problem is that this is just a proposal from some hobby-engineering-politicians, and don't reflect professional judgment.

Not sure how Frp will feel about that. I've read that Bård Hoksrud has been making a lot of noise around the planned 20m wide E18 throug Bamble. He want's 23 meters, with wide shoulders, but that cowboy pretty much represent himself more than Frp these days.

IMO the 16m is a bad solution. The 0,75 meter shoulders are a problem, as "telehiv" often reach into under the lanes when they are that narrow. That means that the ditch will have to be gentler than todays 1:2, so the road can be isolated far enough out from the lanes. What will be the standard in the future is luckily not only up to the politicians
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Old October 1st, 2013, 07:28 AM   #2264
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Well, we will hopefully have a new government soon, with Høyre (H) and Fremskrittspartiet (FrP). H has said that the road should be planned as a motorway, which is a BIG step away from the ridiculous current plans, which say that there will be a central divider, but it won't, not in the tunnels and so on.

The most probable plans calls for motorway Oslo-Vigeland within 2023, and then probably Vigeland-Ålgård within 2030, if not earlier.

My hope is that we can avoid spending ridiculous amounts of money on planning and building roundabouts and stupid 2+1 roads on a main corridor that will within the lifetime of the constructions have traffic well within motorway standards.
This s what is happening in Finland with a Left Alliance/Communist minister for Traffic Downgrading already financed plans and building some railways in the middle of nowhere in Lapland with hunreds of millions. The stupidest thing is that the prime minister is from our Hoyre...
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Old October 1st, 2013, 11:52 PM   #2265
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Some new illustrations of the planned new motorway south of Bergen has been released to the press today:

http://www.ba.no/bilder_video/bilder/article6893507.ece

The project consist of a total of 19km new four lane highways, with 17km on the E39, and 2km on the road to Bergen airport from it's junction with E39 (the junction will be located inside the mountain). Almost the whole new E39 will be tunneled, with only short sections in the open. Construction is supposed to start next year, after a delay caused by problems of how to get rid of the masses from the tunnels.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 12:16 AM   #2266
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Well it's gonna be interesting to see what kind of "motorway-standard" Vigeland-Ålgård might get. Høyre has had a crush on building 16m wide fourlaners the last couple of years, to build cheaper. That would be about the same that's being built between Kløfta and Kongsvinger. Problem is that this is just a proposal from some hobby-engineering-politicians, and don't reflect professional judgment.

Not sure how Frp will feel about that. I've read that Bård Hoksrud has been making a lot of noise around the planned 20m wide E18 throug Bamble. He want's 23 meters, with wide shoulders, but that cowboy pretty much represent himself more than Frp these days.

IMO the 16m is a bad solution. The 0,75 meter shoulders are a problem, as "telehiv" often reach into under the lanes when they are that narrow. That means that the ditch will have to be gentler than todays 1:2, so the road can be isolated far enough out from the lanes. What will be the standard in the future is luckily not only up to the politicians
I agree. This is just ridiclous. They avoid so many problems at once by just doing it right one time. They should rather wait until 23m is built, or not build anything at all. 20, 19, 18, 16 meters is all useless. I don't care if Hoksrud behaves like a cowboy. I really hope he becomes Minister of Transport, because he's truly interested in infrastructure, unlike any other random person set to deal with such important issues.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 10:36 AM   #2267
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I agree. This is just ridiclous. They avoid so many problems at once by just doing it right one time. They should rather wait until 23m is built, or not build anything at all. 20, 19, 18, 16 meters is all useless. I don't care if Hoksrud behaves like a cowboy. I really hope he becomes Minister of Transport, because he's truly interested in infrastructure, unlike any other random person set to deal with such important issues.
What's wrong with 16m? Why build wide 23m highways when the AADT is low and money is scarse?
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 11:19 AM   #2268
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What's wrong with 16m? Why build wide 23m highways when the AADT is low and money is scarse?
Less sexy.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 02:12 PM   #2269
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Hoksrud may have a chance now that FrP is going to have more ministers. But still I would say Per Sandberg is the favourite for that position.

Hoksrud is a wild cannon for many. And with his history of buying sex back in 2011 it will be hard for him to be taken seriously as a minister.
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 10:03 PM   #2270
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The reconstructed E6 at Stjørdal will open on 1 October.

The project consists of;

* 5 km 2x2 E6
* Tang Tunnel (circa 400 m)
* 1,7 km northern ring road
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 11:35 PM   #2271
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Damn, the fees on buying new cars has to be lowered. No one in Nord-Trøndelag seems to have been able to afford a new car in 30 years!
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Old October 5th, 2013, 05:06 PM   #2272
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Skien will introduce congestion charge:

http://www.varden.no/nyheter/ja-til-...gift-1.8096919
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Old October 6th, 2013, 10:23 AM   #2273
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What's wrong with 16m? Why build wide 23m highways when the AADT is low and money is scarse?
Because, first of all, money isn't scarse. Then, AADT will eventually be higher, and yes as MattiG pointed out, 16m IS less sexy. What we see again and again is that AADT is ALWAYS miscalculated, the road opens and the traffic is suddenly much higher than expected. So we end up building a road three times instead of just one. I'd rather wait for a good road than seeing money beeing wasted on a bad solution.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #2274
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Construction of the Ryfylke Tunnel (14.3 km, 2x2) near Stavanger. The project is also known by the older name "Solbakk Tunnel".

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According to the new government, existing motorway sections that are safe enough should be signposted to 110 km/h speed-limit shortly. New sections of motorways are to be dimensioned for 130 km/h, same as most of Europe already has.
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According to the new government, existing motorway sections that are safe enough should be signposted to 110 km/h speed-limit shortly. New sections of motorways are to be dimensioned for 130 km/h, same as most of Europe already has.
Now, that would be awesome!
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Now, that would be awesome!
But it won't make much of a difference, though. Current motorways are dimensioned for 120 km/h and for all practical purposes the real-life difference is nil. Looks good on a political piece of paper, though. What's far more interesting and significant is the 110 limit the new government says will be introduced.
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But it won't make much of a difference, though. Current motorways are dimensioned for 120 km/h and for all practical purposes the real-life difference is nil. Looks good on a political piece of paper, though. What's far more interesting and significant is the 110 limit the new government says will be introduced.
The roads dimensioned for 120km/h are the ones where minimum curvature has been used (700m radius on S8 and S9). Don't know if minimum curvature has been used on motorways like E18 in Vestfold, but I know that E6 in Østfold actually is sub-standard on the parts north of the Eidet-tunnel (r=450m), which only allows 100km/h according to the parameters used to calculate speeds throug curves by Vegdirektoratet. This is because the curvature on the short-lived two-three-lane section built with the 1990's ambitions was not straitened out when expanding to four lanes.

The roads with a cross-section of 19-20 meters, planned and built with the guiding Hb017 between 2002 and 2007 was allowed to have a minimum curvature of 450 meters (100km/h), as there were different parameters between what's today H8 and H9 standard. These roads have the same dimensioned speed today. Not sure if any road was built with minimum curvature tho. Kind of have the feeling that maybe Kristiansand-Grimstad is, but i haven't checked the curvature in NVDB.

Heard not long ago, that the E6 built over Romerike up to Jessheim in the 60's was dimensioned to allow 140km/h. The old tube on the Eidsvoll tunnel only holds the standard of 110.
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Motorway design speeds usually allow for a higher maximum speed, often by 10 or 20 km/h. If you implement a Vdesign of 110, you can allow a Vmax of 120 of 130 without giving up on safety standards. Heck, many German Autobahns were designed in the 1930s when cars barely reached 100 km/h and are currently without any speed limit.
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Motorway design speeds usually allow for a higher maximum speed, often by 10 or 20 km/h. If you implement a Vdesign of 110, you can allow a Vmax of 120 of 130 without giving up on safety standards. Heck, many German Autobahns were designed in the 1930s when cars barely reached 100 km/h and are currently without any speed limit.
There is a margin of safety of course, but here in Norway we have a winter that can show us many different driving conditions throughout the winter than most of continental Europe. I don't think this should be messed with for very little time won.
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