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Old March 7th, 2008, 04:33 PM   #221
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I guess such unlightened tunnels aren't a pleasant drive after sunset...
The truth is that many tunnels are actually unlightened. Drive to Tafjord, you have to go through three longer tunnels, 5km long. They are old, small and unlightened, at least one 3km long tunnel is totally black.
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Yes, but this road is very steep, with wet gravel/sand and one-lane! I've driven many weird roads in Norway, but this one is the wildest!
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Old March 10th, 2008, 12:51 AM   #223
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I guess such unlightened tunnels aren't a pleasant drive after sunset...
As mentioned above, there are quite a few unlit tunnels in Norway, although the one shown looked particularly old. Unlit tunnels are however of course most dangerous when the sun is still up, particularly if the sun is low, which is more often the case in Norway than most other countries due to the high latitude.
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Old March 10th, 2008, 02:30 AM   #224
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Yes, but this road is very steep, with wet gravel/sand and one-lane! I've driven many weird roads in Norway, but this one is the wildest!
Yeah of course, but thats not a main road either. I mentioned a bigger main road, with more traffic etc. and still unlightened. There is several cool roads like the one in Jordal, like older roads who were just made to make dams or so on mountains etc. Mountain road between Eikesdal and Sunndalsøra is pretty cool too, and inner Tafjord-roads up to the dam there.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 01:24 PM   #225
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List over road-constructionprojects U/C from dec 07 (Byggeindustrien)
Layout is:
Road completion year costs in million NOK contractor
E18 Bjørvika underwater concrete prefab tunnel 10 970 Skanska
E18 Sørenga Bjørvika concrete in place tunnel 10 950 AF Spesialprosjekt
E18 Havnelageret Bjørvika concrete in place tunnel 11 372 NCC
Jernbanetorget streetworks 08 107 Betonmast
Bjørvika streetworks 08 100 Oslo Vei
E6 motorway south 09 651 Mika
E6 motorway Gardermoen - Dal 09 521 Mesta
E16 Bærum motorway 08 451 Veidekke
E6/E18 uppgrade vinterbrosletta 09 122 Veidekke
E16 Bærum fase 3 08 108 Betonmast
Fornebu inner ringroad and vestern pendikular 08 65 Skanska
E6 motorway Skaberud - Kolomoen 09 470 Hæhre
E18 motorway Bommestad - Langåker 09 680 Skanska
Rv306 improved road Kirkebakken - Re 09 207 Isachsen
Color line terminal, Larvik 08 148 AF Gruppen
E6 motorway Solli - Alvim 08 306 Mesta
E6 motorway Svingenskogen - Solberg 08 248 Mesta
E6 Sannesund motorway bridge 08 283 Bilfinger Berger
E6 motorway Solberg - Årum 6,3km 08 220 Mesta
E18 motorway Momarken - Sekkelsten 08 105 Veidekke
E18 motorway directing Grimstad - Kristiansand 09 3300 Bilfinger Berger
E18 Roadworks in daysones 09 640 Meister GmbH
E18 7 tunnels 08 300 L. Nilsen & Sønner
E18 tunnel-elements 09 200 Ølen Betong
Rv465 Road improvement Hanesund - Sande 08 181 Mesta
Rv519 Finnfast underwater mountaintunnel 09 500 NCC
Bergen motorway Ringroad west Dolvik - Sandeide 10 600 Mesta
Halsnøysambandet Sunde - Tofte Underwater mountaintunnel 08 253 Veidekke
E39 Romarheimsdalen 6,5km road improvement 08 148 Mesta
Rv48 Helland - Havgårdsdalen road improvement 09 132 Kruse Smith
Rv13 Myrkdalstunnelen mountaintunnel 08 125 Kruse Smith
E39 Fjøsangerveien/Minde allé 2-level intersection 08 62 NCC
Rv5 Strøymsnestunnelen 2,6km mountaintunnel 09 160 Mika
E16 road improvement Voldum - Borlaug 08 146 Mika
Rv55 Fatlaberget 2,2km mountaintunnel 08 138 Mika
Rv53 Naustbukttunneln Mountaintunnel prolongation 09 80 Hæhre
Atlanterhavstunnelen underwater mountaintunnel 08 354 Mesta
Trondheim, Skansentunnelen - underwater prefab concretetunnel 08 261 Bilfinger Berger
E6 motorway Frøset - Sørlia 08 92 AF Grunnarbeid
E6 motorway Vist Frøset and Sørlia - Løsberga 08 58 Austad Maskinstasjon
Rv17 Tverlandet - Godøy road improvement 09 177 AF Anlegg
Fv347 Langfjorden Øst - Arnøya road improvement 08 107 Mesta
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Old March 13th, 2008, 01:22 AM   #226
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Impressive work, Ingeniøren!

For those of you that aren't that good in Norwegian geography, I have divided up the list in terms of regions:

Oslo/Akershus (capital area). Population 1.079M, area 5372 km^2
Quote:
E18 Bjørvika underwater concrete prefab tunnel 10 970 Skanska
E18 Sørenga Bjørvika concrete in place tunnel 10 950 AF Spesialprosjekt
E18 Havnelageret Bjørvika concrete in place tunnel 11 372 NCC
Jernbanetorget streetworks 08 107 Betonmast
Bjørvika streetworks 08 100 Oslo Vei
E6 motorway south 09 651 Mika
E6 motorway Gardermoen - Dal 09 521 Mesta
E16 Bærum motorway 08 451 Veidekke
E6/E18 uppgrade vinterbrosletta 09 122 Veidekke
E16 Bærum fase 3 08 108 Betonmast
Fornebu inner ringroad and vestern pendikular 08 65 Skanska
Total investments: 4 417M, 4.1kkr per capita, 0.82 M per km^2

Rest of eastern Norway, population 1.283M, area 89 204 km^2
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E6 motorway Skaberud - Kolomoen 09 470 Hæhre
E18 motorway Bommestad - Langåker 09 680 Skanska
Rv306 improved road Kirkebakken - Re 09 207 Isachsen
Color line terminal, Larvik 08 148 AF Gruppen
E6 motorway Solli - Alvim 08 306 Mesta
E6 motorway Svingenskogen - Solberg 08 248 Mesta
E6 Sannesund motorway bridge 08 283 Bilfinger Berger
E6 motorway Solberg - Årum 6,3km 08 220 Mesta
E18 motorway Momarken - Sekkelsten 08 105 Veidekke
Total investments: 2 667M, 2.1kkr per capita, 30 kkr per km^2

Soutern Norway (Agder), population 272k, area 16 433 km^2
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E18 motorway directing Grimstad - Kristiansand 09 3300 Bilfinger Berger
E18 Roadworks in daysones 09 640 Meister GmbH
E18 7 tunnels 08 300 L. Nilsen & Sønner
E18 tunnel-elements 09 200 Ølen Betong
Rv465 Road improvement Hanesund - Sande 08 181 Mesta
Total investments: 4 621M, 17.0kkr per capita, 0.28 M kr per km^2!!

Total investments South-Eastern health region:11 705 M, 4.4 kkr per kapita, 105 kkr per km^2
(Population South-Eastern health region:2 633 M, area 111 009 km^2)

Western Norway, population 982k, area 43 461 km^2:
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Rv519 Finnfast underwater mountaintunnel 09 500 NCC
Bergen motorway Ringroad west Dolvik - Sandeide 10 600 Mesta
Halsnøysambandet Sunde - Tofte Underwater mountaintunnel 08 253 Veidekke
E39 Romarheimsdalen 6,5km road improvement 08 148 Mesta
Rv48 Helland - Havgårdsdalen road improvement 09 132 Kruse Smith
Rv13 Myrkdalstunnelen mountaintunnel 08 125 Kruse Smith
E39 Fjøsangerveien/Minde allé 2-level intersection 08 62 NCC
Rv5 Strøymsnestunnelen 2,6km mountaintunnel 09 160 Mika
E16 road improvement Voldum - Borlaug 08 146 Mika
Rv55 Fatlaberget 2,2km mountaintunnel 08 138 Mika
Rv53 Naustbukttunneln Mountaintunnel prolongation 09 80 Hæhre
Total investments: 2 344M, 2.4kkr per capita, 54 kkr per km^2

Central Norway, population 660k, area 56 381 km^2:
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Atlanterhavstunnelen underwater mountaintunnel 08 354 Mesta
Trondheim, Skansentunnelen - underwater prefab concretetunnel 08 261 Bilfinger Berger
E6 motorway Frøset - Sørlia 08 92 AF Grunnarbeid
E6 motorway Vist Frøset and Sørlia - Løsberga 08 58 Austad Maskinstasjon
Total investments: 765M, 1.2 kkr per capita, 14 kkr per km^2

Northern Norway, population 462 k, area 112 951 km^2
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Rv17 Tverlandet - Godøy road improvement 09 177 AF Anlegg
Fv347 Langfjorden Øst - Arnøya road improvement 08 107 Mesta
Total investments: 284 M, 600 kr per capita, 2.5 kkr per km^2

Judging from this snap shot picture, it seems to me that Northern Norway is seriously ripped off at the moment, with only 600 kr per capita in U/C road works. Oslo get more than 7 times as much ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, although the distances are much higher up there and they have no railway. Also central Norway is seriously underfunded compared with other parts of the country. At the moment, Oslo/Akershus and especially Southern Norway (Agder) has all the fun. The Agder numbers are quite inflated at the moment, however, due E18 upgrade project. Although this is just a snap shot, it has been a general trend the last couple of decades that south/eastern Norway and in particular Oslo/Akershus has aquired more and more of the road money, western Norway has got some, whereas central/Northern Norway is getting less.

PS: Ingeniøren: Is there a difference between "Construction Engineer", and "Civil Engineer", which is the term I am used to?
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Old March 13th, 2008, 01:27 AM   #227
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Norwegian highway picture of the day

A huge mud/clay slide barred the entire E18 motorway south of Drammen today:

Luckily, nobody was hurt.
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Wow, a European route to be blocked like that...
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Yeah. A lot of stuff has happened on E18 the last few years..
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Old March 13th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #230
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The Agder numbers are quite inflated at the moment, however, due E18 upgrade project.
Don't forget that most of those money comes from toll-roads! And roads in Agder has been underfunded, even by Norwegian standards, for decades!
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Oh yeah, poor Minister of Infrastructure really has a lot of problems to deal with! This has become quite common in the last few years this same road had a tunnel collapse and the whole fundament of the highway E39 in western part of the country slided down a slope, also fundaments for E6 in Sweden collapsed not so long ago.

A Civil Engineer is an engineer with at least a 5 year Master of Technology degree, can be any kind of engineer(Constructions, Machines, Chemicals, Electricity etc.) The program i'm doing in Oslo is only a 3 year Bachelor degree, so when i graduate i will only get the title Professional Engineer.

Very interesting to see the numbers per kapita like that, 54°26′S 3°24′E! Note that the list is only the major construction contracts, but it gives you an idea on how road-investments in Norway is divided. And i think it's all wrong that the regions with the best roads get the most money, driving in Oslo is not necessary for very many of those who drive, i'm crossing the fingers for a different infrastructure plan for Oslo with a rushhour fee, and more money to metro, tram and train! (not likely to happend) Also note that almost all projects are either important motorways near the big cities, tunnelprojects are usually for safety from falling rocks wich is a major problem in Norway and fjord-crossings. I really would like to see important regional roads get improved, especially the mountain-crossings who close far to often during the winter.
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Actually also another European route was closed in Norway yesterday, the E10 close to Reine in Lofoten (admittedly of far less importance than the E18 south of Drammen) was closed due to falling rocks:


PS, Ingeniøren, this is the definition of "civil engineer" according to webster:
": an engineer whose training or occupation is in the design and construction especially of public works (as roads or harbors)" The Norwegian/Swedish "sivilingeniør"-title has caused a bit of confusion......
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Very interesting to see thos statistics on investments per cap. 54°26′S 3°24′E! And it doesn't look like neither Northern Norway or Central Norway will go up in new investments the next few years, since they just recently gave up many great ideas with E6 Stjørdal-Steinkjer. Soem more expencive projects around Trondheim, and i really wonder if they ever will continue on new E6 south between Trondheim and Støren.

People is getting killed by slides on Norwegian roads every year, but it can't be too long till we get a bigger slide-disaster which claims many more lifes since the security is pretty bad on many roads.
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Wow, that's what I call a cool picture!
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Found a video showing how the new E18 motorway Grimstad - Kristiansand is progressing. Some stretches will open already in a few months, and the road will be completed summer 2009. http://www.fvn.no/trafikk/article573057.ece
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Nice video. Lots of bridges and tunnels. Funny that i can read Norwegian pretty good.
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Found a video showing how the new E18 motorway Grimstad - Kristiansand is progressing. Some stretches will open already in a few months, and the road will be completed summer 2009. http://www.fvn.no/trafikk/article573057.ece
I'm looking very much forward for the completion of this road, will make the ride down to my parents so much better!

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Oslo - Halden, soon to be motorway!


Starts in Festningstunnelen who leads E18 under Akershus fortress and central parts of the city.

Here's a part of E18 who runs right trough the heart of Oslo, the Stock-exchange can be seen to the left and behind that, Norways 2. highest building.

The road gives the drivers nice views. Central station to the right.

Oslos new Opera house:

This is the most traficated piece of road in Norway and is often congested. I don't use E18 from here. Even tough there is 2 exit lanes, there's no E18 motorway, just a narrow street along the fjord with numerous stop-lights wich is congested all the time except at night.

Instead i follow signs towards Trondheim, in 2 years the Festningstunnel and Ekebergtunnel under this bridge will be connected trough a sinking-tunnel under the fjord. The concrete tower will send the pollution high above the city. Info about the tunnel-project in English: http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/Satellite?...FPage%2FVPside

Inside Ekeberg-tunnel i take an exit ramp badly signed only with Ryen wich is the name of an E6 intersection. It leads to a big round-about above E6 - don't think there are any plans of adding another level to this intersection.

And then we are on E6, this is not a motorway, but still it has grade intersections and exit-numbers.

Toll plaza for cars coming into Oslo, there is no way of avoiding toll for cars entering the city. I don't know if they bill foreigners tough. It's fully automatic, if you don't have a discount-chip, they send a bill to the owner of the car. Incomes goes to finance road projects in Oslo-area, but also public transportation.

Lots of commuter trafic out of Oslo at this time a day, about 4 pm. But usually this road floats.

Oslo - Akershus border. Here the motorway starts and one can drive at 90km/h! In the early 90'ies this road was built as a 2 lane motortraficway - they did that a lot back then, and 3 years ago they added another 2 lanes. This is how we have built motorways in many parts of the country instead of building it all at once All of E6 motorway in Østfold except for a few kms is adding 2 lanes to existing road.

Old bridge to the right, new bridge to the left.

They also had to move the powerlines when adding the extra lanes;P The earth-centrepiece is not typical.

Only after a few kms we loose one lane. Next stretch will be the last one to get 4 lanes finished on Oslo - Sweden stretch of E6, in fall 2009. Congestions are frequent on this stretch.


Here they store tunnel-elements, for most of the new motorway will be a tunnel.

Tunnel starts here, but it's driven from the middle only. We don't use TBM, only explosives.

Digging right by the road:

Stoneslide-nett:

This type of road uses the same blue signs as motorways:

This round-about is constructed for the tunnelcontractor:

Another round-about, this will only be a local road-system in 2009. Bridge in the background is E18.

Here will be the other end of the tunnel:

E18 leaves towards the east. Some parts of this road is motorway, but many parts are not - and it will be long before it is.

One of many tunnels, even in flat parts of Norway they are everywhere:

This part of motorway has been here since i was a little boy:

South of that is a motorway about 10 years old built in one piece, at the same time they built a new dual railtrack next to it=)

Sonsveien station:

Toll, income goes to pay for the E6 motorway, on most of the stretch state money also contributes:

Here one can pay to a person, use automatic chip or trow in a basket - this is Østfold - Akershus border:

The first part of motorway to be built in Østfold county, 3 years ago - since that stretches of a few kms has be opened every year.

The Moss - Horten ferry is a short-cut to Vestfold, and is the most heavy traficated ferry in Norway.

The tree gets illuminated at night, there used to be a lit horseman in the rock a few kms from here, but it distracted drivers to much, so it was removed. Art-pieces along the road are becoming very common - think it is the make drivers happy or maybe to keep them awake.

Rygge airport opened this year with cheap international flights:

Note the fence, called Egg-cutters, motorcyclist has managed to get them prohibited on new roads:

Moose cross-over. We have a hard time with mooses getting lost inside the motorway fencing on this stretch. This stretch also feutures a frog-tunnel.

Fredrikstad-exit:

Signes for acceleration-lane:

Typical wooden bridge, here motorway ends for now. But all the way trough Østfold will be completed by fall this year:


30kms of roadworks...

New tube of Eidet tunnel, in this stretch road is only 10 years old. Thanks to planners not planning for the future, this stretch will be 2+3 lanes.


Here we are driving on the new road, while the old gets upgraded. Norway is the only country i know, where the whole motorway system has streetlights. Belgium is pretty close. If anyone knows a country, please say=P

Here E6 passes trough Sarpsborg, a town in the heavily populated lower Glomma river area. Here the roads are mostly congested because there are to few bridges across the river.

South of Sarpsborg, the road is completed - only a few bridges are still being worked on. This stretch will open in 2 months.

While this stretch will open this fall:

This stretch opened last year:

Road-side art:

This is Rv21, main route into Halden. It is about 6 kms long and has 5 speedcamera boxes!

A bikepath will soon go alongside this road, in the background is Norways 3.highest building in the huge Nexans cable factory:

Local road in Halden from the 60's, as everything else in the 60's, way to big!
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