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Old April 28th, 2014, 08:49 AM   #2561
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But wouldn't it be cool is the entire E39 in Norway could be drivable without any ferries? Unlike in most other countries there is extra money to be spent.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 10:46 AM   #2562
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The coolness factor is absolutely there. Most of the proposed bridges and tunnels are pretty cool, and in a cool landscape at that, only too bad so few will be around to see it...

In Norway almost no man is an island, because nearly all populated islands are connected to the mainland by some bridge or tunnel. That is if you except that technically Norway is cut in half south of Narvik, another of those nasty fjords, but if the driver had a fear of water, there is always travelling through Sweden.

So to be a killjoy about it, it would be a better investment to improve the inland route Bergen-Trondheim where needed (the route Bergen-Oslo is far from direct, but as a consequence the three biggest cities in Norway, Oslo, Bergen & Trondheim, are connected in an upside-down Y backbone).

There is no shortage of projects that need money, drivers and users of public transport have complaints all over the country, and always will. The main argument in the article is that in Sweden the decision of where to put infrastructure is a technocratic one, while in Norway it is a political one, often based on local politics, and that it is Norway's loss.
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[The Swedish experts] calculate, and then they point to the map and say "Here's where the next road, railroad, or metro will go." They simply expect that the project that gets most people there for the lowest possible cost in the shortest possible time will pass. And it will.
The author further argue that an "impossible" infrastructure project in the East (intercity rail upgrades around Oslo) has to be politically balanced by an "impossible" project in the West (ferry free E39), implying that the politicians should shut up and listen to the experts instead, and that would end up with a better set of outcomes.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #2563
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The coolness factor is absolutely there.
Definitely.

Just between Bergen and Stavanger you will get the worlds longest and deepest roadtunnel as well as the worlds longest floating bridge. And those projects will get built, i have no doubt about that. Why? Because much of it could get financed by tolls with future predicted traffic growth..

With a possible Sognefjord crossing you would get the worlds longest suspension bridge as well. But that is probably decades away. The most important thing in Sogn is upgrading the the current shitty E39 north of sognefjorden. That road is just terrible.

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Old April 30th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #2564
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I think the attractiveness of the E134 as the route between Oslo and Bergen depends on how the crossing Hardangerfjorden will be arranged. The current route over Hardangerbrua and Voss adds 70+ km to the route via Jondal.

The fixed link would be expensive because the depth of the sea at Jondal is 500+ metres. Therefore, the tunnel most probably is out of question. The narrowest point of the fjord is about 1700 metres. No way to build pillars on the seabed but a suspension bridge similar to Hardangerbrua could be the option.
I agree completely, but even an efficient ferry connection may make that link more attractive. Howewer, and as you say, a fixed link is necessary to make the route the most obvious.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #2565
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Eiksund Tunnel

Toll collection at the Eiksund Tunnel (Fv. 653) will cease at 14 June 2014. The toll collection was levied only 6 years, it was originally forecasted to last 15 years.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 10:52 AM   #2566
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A pre-project for the crossing of Rovdefjorden (fv 61) recommends a floating bridge with a submerged floating 200 m tunnel to allow ships to cross.



http://www.tu.no/samferdsel/2014/05/...lytende-rorbru
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Old May 10th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #2567
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Has this been posted here before?

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Old May 12th, 2014, 05:39 AM   #2568
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Nothing of real value in that. By using that way of calculating the profits of building infrastructure. One would never build any kind of infrastructure in Norway.
It's true and needs to be said. Fefast is, in the grand scheme of things, almost at break-even at -750 million. Hafast is -8.3 billion off the price tag of 20 billion. That is just insane. It is 15 minutes longer and that will also screw up the calculations for the rest of the project: each minute added elsewhere will look less bad (both economically and "visually") the longer the total is. (ie. 1 minute out of 8 hrs is less important than 1 minute out of 6 hrs).

By continually choosing local interests over national interests, the project will have all its original virtues eroded away.

This is exactly the kind of short-sightet stupidity FrP has riled against in norwegian politics for so long.

I have to say I'm disappointed.
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Old May 14th, 2014, 01:19 AM   #2569
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Hafast will be the shortest route between Ålesund and Bergen once the government decides to reroute E39 to the outer route between Ulsteinvik and Lavik.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #2570
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By continually choosing local interests over national interests, the project will have all its original virtues eroded away.

This is exactly the kind of short-sightet stupidity FrP has riled against in norwegian politics for so long.
It's best to leave the political angling out of this matter, as short-sightedness in Norwegian budget policy is a longstanding problem and spans the entire range of political parties, most certainly including the Frp which is itself no stranger to irresponsibility or public policy tailor-made to line the pockets of its core backers.

Real issue at hand here is the need for change in the drivers of politics, including voter attitudes and priorities, as well change in as the way engineers and policy planners are educated. One doesn't need to subscribe to any particular political party in order to see that.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 01:01 PM   #2571
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I guess this road is a textbook example of what they call "pork" in the US.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 04:37 PM   #2572
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110 km/h

8 stretches will get a 110 km/h speed limit this year. If my calculation is correct, it would amount to approximately 155 kilometers of motorway. They are on E6 and E18 south and southwest of Oslo.

Vestfold:

Kopstad – Gulli (ca 10 km)
Langåker – Bommestad (ca 6,5 km)
Sky – Langgangen (ca 10 km)
Gulli – Langåker (ca 25 km)
Eik – Kopstad (ca 37 km)

Østfold:

Ås – Mosseporten
Årvoll v/Moss – Solli nord
Årum v/Sarpsborg – tollstasjonen v/Svinesund
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Old May 21st, 2014, 07:30 PM   #2573
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Rv. 13 Stavanger

Construction of the Hundvåg Tunnel begins tomorrow with an official ceremony (first sod). The new dual bore tunnel is 5.6 km long and connects to the longer Ryfylke Tunnel (14 km) which has been under construction for a while now.

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Old May 23rd, 2014, 01:14 AM   #2574
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8 stretches will get a 110 km/h speed limit this year. If my calculation is correct, it would amount to approximately 155 kilometers of motorway. They are on E6 and E18 south and southwest of Oslo.

Vestfold:

Kopstad – Gulli (ca 10 km)
Langåker – Bommestad (ca 6,5 km)
Sky – Langgangen (ca 10 km)
Gulli – Langåker (ca 25 km)
Eik – Kopstad (ca 37 km)
The Vestfold part is very confusing. No logical order at all.
It's actually this simple:

Vestfold:
Eik – Bommestad (ca. 78,5 km) First part here will need to have crash barriers added before the signs go up.
Bommestad – Sky (will open in 2017, as 110 km/h.)
Sky – Langangen, (ca. 10 km)
Østfold:
Ås – Mosseporten (ca. 24 km)
Årvoll v/Moss – Solli nord (ca. 20 km)
Årum v/Sarpsborg – tollstasjonen v/Svinesund (ca. 22 km)
There are also other parts being considered,

E 18 Kristiansand – Grimstad
E 18 in Østfold
E 6 north of Oslo

Basically, I assume all of the parts not fit for 110 in Østfold are part of the old 1+1 Motorvei klasse B standard.
All new roads are built to handle 115 km/h (some safety margin). So basically every motorway built the last 20 years could be upgraded without realignment. And new roads will be built to handle 130 km/h. It's about time.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 11:44 PM   #2575
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Basically, I assume all of the parts not fit for 110 in Østfold are part of the old 1+1 Motorvei klasse B standard.
All new roads are built to handle 115 km/h (some safety margin). So basically every motorway built the last 20 years could be upgraded without realignment. And new roads will be built to handle 130 km/h. It's about time.
95 % of E6 in Østfold is widened "motorvei klasse B", some of that 110 part was opened as early as 60s while some of the 100 part is as new as 90s. The two sections with 100 will be inside and near urban areas of Moss and Sarpsborg towns, those are motivated by shorter on-ramps,noise concerns, short distance between exits aswell as curvature.

I sure hope they will also consider raising the limits on E18 and E6 north of Vinterbro eventually. E18 is a grade separated 2+1 road with 80 limit, while E6 is a full motorway with 90 limit.
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Old May 24th, 2014, 11:58 AM   #2576
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Some pictures from the construction of E18 Gulli-Langåker:









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Old May 25th, 2014, 10:44 AM   #2577
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Construction of the Hundvåg Tunnel begins tomorrow with an official ceremony (first sod). The new dual bore tunnel is 5.6 km long and connects to the longer Ryfylke Tunnel (14 km) which has been under construction for a while now.
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E39 The Eiganes tunnel (Stavanger): 4,5 km (feb. 2014 - 2019)
Is it already u/c?
They will start construction of the Eiganes tunnel this spring. They've started construction of the Ryfast tunnel at Solbakk and Hundvåg.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1560474&page=2
I guess the E39 (Eiganes tunnel) is motorway-like (two carriageways, grade-separated and access-controlled), isn't it? Is the tunnel already u/c? Where does the section end, just west of Eskelandsskogen or more western? Any information about the estimated completion?

There is a roundabout in Hundsvag so this should not be called motorway-like, should it?
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Old May 27th, 2014, 03:55 AM   #2578
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I guess the E39 (Eiganes tunnel) is motorway-like (two carriageways, grade-separated and access-controlled), isn't it? Is the tunnel already u/c? Where does the section end, just west of Eskelandsskogen or more western? Any information about the estimated completion?

There is a roundabout in Hundsvag so this should not be called motorway-like, should it?
They chose a roundabout in Hundvåg since the Solbakktunnel east of it doesn't get motorway-standard (two 8,5 m-tubes). I guess both the Eiganes-tunnel and the Hundvåg-tunnel will be signed motorway, since the tubes here are 9,5 m wide + grade separation etc. So in best case the motorway will end at the Hundvåg-roundabout in north-east.

Construction of the Eiganes-tunnel started 01.04.2014, while construction of the Hundvåg-tunnel begun 22.05.2014.

The Eiganes-tunnel ends at the north end of the Byhaugtunnel, and a daylight-stretch continues to the Eskelandsskogen/Tasta school area, yes.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 11:54 AM   #2579
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I don't know what the deal is with the megaloop for the bike/pedestrian route. But no one will use it - it's just ridiculous.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 12:56 PM   #2580
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It's just to avoid the ramps... the cycle bridge would have been too steep to overcome them.
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