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Old April 15th, 2008, 01:01 AM   #241
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Toll plaza for cars coming into Oslo, there is no way of avoiding toll for cars entering the city. I don't know if they bill foreigners tough. It's fully automatic, if you don't have a discount-chip, they send a bill to the owner of the car. Incomes goes to finance road projects in Oslo-area, but also public transportation.
So thats where my 300 and something will go to then... Arrived to the toll station back in october, with 8kr and a 500kr money in my pocket, so i put my 8kr and drove of before those gangster looking-guys in the car behind me would shoot me or something for been slow! ******* tolls, already payed for two other unpayed tolls lasy summer!
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Old April 18th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #242
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Some of us have been talking about the notorious unreliability of traffic growth predictions made by the Norwegian Road Autorities. Now, they themselves have evaluated a few, newish road projects. This is what they found:

23 - Oslofjord tunnel: Opening year, predicted AADT: 4240, actually 3780. 5 years on, predicted 4545, actually 5252.
E18 - Rannekleiv-Temse: Opening year, predicted AADT: 8232, actually 10242. 5 years on, predicted 8634, actually 11616.
714 Hitra-Frĝya tunnel: Opening year, predicted AADT: 353, actually 512. 5 years on, predicted 367, actually 1003.
E134 Teigeland-Hċland: Opening year, predicted AADT: 1000, actually 1367. 5 years on, predicted 1050, actually 1500.
62 - Ĝksendal tunnel: Opening year, predicted AADT: 1386, actually 1345. 5 years on, predicted 1454, actually 1664.
E8 - Nordkjosbotn-Langvassbukt: Opening year, predicted AADT: 2300, actually 2400. 5 years on, predicted 2400, actually 2800.
E18 - Gutu-Helland-Kopstad: Opening year, predicted AADT: 12000, actually 16700. 5 years on, predicted 12400, actually 18300.
E39 - Kleivedammen-Andenes: Opening year, predicted AADT: 686, actually 924. 5 years on, predicted 722, actually 1130.

These are very different road projects, motorways, tunnels, ordinary highways located in very different regions (north, south east and west...). Some are tolled, some not, some are along trunk routes, some not. The only thing they have in common is that the predicted amout of traffic is much too low.

An example of the consequenses: If the predictions state an AADT of 7000 in the calculation year (usually 30 years from opening), a 10-m expresssway will be built. At 9000, the width increases to 12.5/14.5 m including a central barrier, and at, say 13000, we'll most likely get a narrow profile motorway, 19-22 metres wide. So these predictions most certainly have an impact on road construction.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #243
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Found a nice video of the E10 on the Lofoten Islands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-2AJ...eature=related
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Old May 15th, 2008, 06:16 PM   #244
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That's an E road? J/k, great find! Yesterday I saw a Norwegian license plate, I only see that once a year or even more rarely.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #245
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I've never seen an Norwegian licence plate here in the Netherlands. But what the heck would they like to do here anyway, this country is just way too busy.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 07:23 PM   #246
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There is a lot of Norwegians in Amsterdam I know, but we use KLM I think most Norwegians travel by air if we are going south of Denmark. A lot of us even take the plain to Copenhagen.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 09:13 PM   #247
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The most long distance license plates I've seen driving around Stockholm are Turkey (a truck though) and Portugal.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 09:15 PM   #248
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There are actually quite a few transportation businesses who travel between Scandinavia and Iberia daily. (ofcourse not in one day )
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Old May 15th, 2008, 10:06 PM   #249
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Yeah, trucks from Spain I've seen a few times, but actually never a regular car. Never seen a truck from Portugal, but it was nifty seeing a regular car from there. It was parked by a mall here in my suburb.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 10:14 PM   #250
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A LOT of Dutch cars here though.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 10:17 PM   #251
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Norway is said to be a popular emigration country, together with Sweden. It's not so crowded as the Netherlands.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #252
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A LOT of Dutch cars here though.
Yes, NL and G is the most regular cars to see around,togather with Sweden of course. Never see a Danish car here.

@ Chriszwolle, do you mean immigration? Isn't emigration the other way around, people leaving one country? As far as i know we're a popular immigration country, not emigration.

And yes, Norwegians do not drive down to Europe, we take the plane since its cheaper, faster and easier. The only few i hear who drive to Europe is the speed-freaks who have the German Autobahn as their big mission in life!

@ Jeroen669, Nice video, that shows how about all coastal roads is like in Norway, at least from Trĝndelag (Trondheim) and north. Don't know how its further south ince i haven't been much around. I am now talking about the first 4min, and last 2min of the video, before and after he got to that luxurious highway-roads with 80km/h speed limit.

Since i've been working on transport on the coast driving bigger trucks i can tell you that its messy! The coast is starting to gain major tourists from esp. Germany and The Netherlands, and they come here with huge camping cars/trucks and gets totally stuck on the coastal roads by their big surprise. The roads are so narrow you have to stop everytime you meet a car, and usually you have to back up to someplace where the road is big enough to room two cars by side. That is not easy for trucks and larger vehicles. And it seems like most tourists have no idea the quality of roads is as bad as it is since its Norway. But if all roads started to look like the highway on Lofoten (which many do) it will get much better, even though it sucks driving through all the tunnels and miss the great scenery.

My advise, if you are going to the coast, go with a smaller car, then you might find many of the older roads drivable. Much nicer to be driving there so you get to see the nature even though the road sucks.

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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:14 AM   #253
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Yes, NL and G is the most regular cars to see around
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Old May 16th, 2008, 04:16 AM   #254
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Do most people in Norway get a set of snow tires for their cars?
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Old May 16th, 2008, 10:38 AM   #255
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You can't drive in Scandinava without snow tires during the winter. Most have stubs as well, and many in the north use chains too.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #256
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What about spikes?
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Old May 16th, 2008, 11:41 AM   #257
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What about spikes?
Well, spiked tyres are quite common, but increasingly unpopular, especially in urban areas (you have to pay a "spiked tyre toll" to drive into Oslo, for instance). Winter tyres are an absolute necessity.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 01:38 PM   #258
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I heard because of the bad weather conditions the tourist season is always very short. Some roads aren't even open before half June.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 01:42 PM   #259
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That's also the fact in Switzerland. Most higher passes are not open until June.

They say it's generally recommended to take snow chains with you, even in June if you are travelling to northern Scandinavia or mountainous areas.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 01:50 PM   #260
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I've got 4-season tyres under my car. They probably will not be good enough during a scandinavian winter, but during summer it will satisfie, won't it? Haven't got snow chains either btw...
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