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Old June 28th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #2741
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The section of E16 across Filefjell that is being replaced with the Borlaug Tunnel still has those møteplasse (M) signs if I recall correctly.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:58 PM   #2742
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The section of E16 across Filefjell that is being replaced with the Borlaug Tunnel still has those møteplasse (M) signs if I recall correctly.
Drove there the last time a couple of weeks ago. Don`t think theres any on those signs on that stretch, although one could argue there should be some at the narrowest parts. There are some pockets at the side of the in some places, but they are not signed as meeting point.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 06:03 PM   #2743
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Is it allowed to stop at a bus stop along rural roads in Norway? I noticed the density of bus stops is quite high (some roads seemed to have a bus stop every kilometer or so), even though I haven't seen any bus stopping there. Parking areas are sometimes quite far apart, while bus stops are everywhere.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #2744
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E6 used to be riddled with these signs some decades back. I wonder when the last disappeared.

In fact I haven't seen one in years. There used to be a good number to Å in Lofoten, but that was in the serpentine days 10-12 years ago. How many are now left, except for non-tourist/scenic roads?
What does this sign mean?
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Old June 28th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #2745
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Møteplass. Meeting point in English. On roads without a central line, it's convenient to have parts of the road which is wider, so meeting traffic can pass.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #2746
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Drove there the last time a couple of weeks ago. Don`t think theres any on those signs on that stretch, although one could argue there should be some at the narrowest parts. There are some pockets at the side of the in some places, but they are not signed as meeting point.
There are a lot of narrow roads with pockets on the lower network. Most of those are not signed. I think that the drivers are expected to find the pockets by themselves.
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Is it realistic to expect a full-grade separated high-profile route between Trondheim and Oslo by 2035?
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Old June 28th, 2014, 09:08 PM   #2748
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No, it's not. New sections of E6 between Oslo and Trondheim is still being built with crossings at level.


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Is it allowed to stop at a bus stop along rural roads in Norway? I noticed the density of bus stops is quite high (some roads seemed to have a bus stop every kilometer or so), even though I haven't seen any bus stopping there. Parking areas are sometimes quite far apart, while bus stops are everywhere.

A bus stop shares the rules of this sign, only that you are obliged to give way for the bus when it comes. This is regardless of urban/rural zones (we don't seperate between urban and rural roads in traffic rules, only for speed limits).
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #2749
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E18 Gulli – Langåker opens to traffic on 4 July. 24 kilometers of new four-lane motorway. It's probably one of the bigger motorway openings in the history of Norway.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #2750
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There are a lot of narrow roads with pockets on the lower network. Most of those are not signed. I think that the drivers are expected to find the pockets by themselves.
Indeed. Many single track roads are still active (not main roads though) and they do have these meeting points, but the "M" signs are hardly ever found any more. I remember seeing some in Møre og Romsdal a few years ago.
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Old June 28th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #2751
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Here are a few along E16 near Borlaug.







They seem to be uncommon, for example much narrower Fv. 7 along Hardangerfjord did not have them.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #2752
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E16 Aurlandsfjord

Pretty cool scenery along E16 in the Flåm / Aurland area.

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Old June 29th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #2753
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Pretty cool scenery along E16 in the Flåm / Aurland area.
This is indeed where Norway is most Norway-ish.

Or, to quote Liv Ullmann: "The scenery is so beautiful that it hurts"

The only thing that is in the way is the road itself. I mean, come on, the viaduct over Flåm, isn't it just a bit oversized?

You did not try the old road between Aurland and Laerdal, did you?
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Old June 30th, 2014, 03:00 PM   #2754
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The only thing that is in the way is the road itself. I mean, come on, the viaduct over Flåm, isn't it just a bit oversized?
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Old June 30th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #2755
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I mean, come on, the viaduct over Flåm, isn't it just a bit oversized?
Viaduct over Flåm? The map does not display such one. There is a 255-meter bridge over the Flåm river valley and the Flåm railway to the southwest of Flåm. What is oversized with that?

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Old June 30th, 2014, 04:30 PM   #2756
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You did not try the old road between Aurland and Laerdal, did you?
No, there wasn't enough time. The 600 kilometer trip that day already took 11 hours of travel time (Voss - Torsby).

Traveling in Norway means making choices. The country is large and so are distances and especially travel times. You don't want to backtrack too often.

I want to drive it next time though.

Was the road across Aurlandsfjellet ever part of E16, or was E16 routed via ferry before the Lærdal Tunnel opened?
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Old June 30th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #2757
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Was the road across Aurlandsfjellet ever part of E16, or was E16 routed via ferry before the Lærdal Tunnel opened?
No, it was not. The E16 was routed over the ferry Gudvangen-Lærdal. The crossing time was 2+ hours making the route not a very attractive choice.
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Old June 30th, 2014, 05:13 PM   #2758
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No, it was not. The E16 was routed over the ferry Gudvangen-Lærdal. The crossing time was 2+ hours making the route not a very attractive choice.
BTW, the road Gudvangen-Aurland was numbered as Rv50 between 1991 and 2000 after the tunnels got completed. At that time, Rv50 was the first and the only ferry-free connection between Bergen and Oslo.
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Old June 30th, 2014, 05:29 PM   #2759
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Which road is more scenic, #50 Hol - Aurland or #52 Gol - Lærdal?

Looking back, I should've stayed another night in Gol to make a Gol - Lærdal - Aurland - Gol round trip. Maybe next time.
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Old June 30th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #2760
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You could have saved some time by choosing for instance the Hirtshals - Larvik ferry, which thanks to tax free shopping is not too expensive if you book in advance.
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No, it's not. New sections of E6 between Oslo and Trondheim is still being built with crossings at level.
According to the current long-term plans, made in 2013 and before, the best we can hope for in terms of divided highway is Trondheim to Ulsberg (E6-Rv3 junction) and Oslo to Otta (E6) or (less clear) Oslo-Rena along the Rv3 arm. That leaves a gap of about 170 km along E6, and approximately 240 km on the more direct and faster Rv3 arm. A lot of the planned divided highway will not be motorway but 1+1.

On the bright side, we have since these plans were made got a new government, and they have said they will make a national motorway plan/study for Norway, with the aim of connecting the major cities of Norway. We will have to wait to see if anything will come out of it, and how such a plan will be affected by shifting governments.

The new government also has decided that all new motorways should have a design speed of 130, but this does not seem to have transpired down to all the local bureaucrats yet. In addition, it seems like something finally will be done with the current system where local politicians always have the upper hand even on projects of national interest.

Our new transport minister is by the way driving the whole E6 this summer. He was not very enthusiastic regarding the E6 currently being constructed in Oppdal 120 km south of Trondheim, through the town, with several roundabouts, and 60 km/h.
http://www.adressa.no/pluss/nyheter/article9842201.ece
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