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Old July 4th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #2801
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How deep is the Trondheimsfjord?

How much depth clearance would they need for the deepest structures?

Is a "floating drawbridge" ever feasible?
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Old July 4th, 2014, 06:38 PM   #2802
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Gulli-Langåker
I noticed a tendency in Norway to use very exact and very local names with road projects. Gulli is just outside Tønsberg and Langåker is just outside Sandefjord, two larger towns.

Sometimes these places Vegvesen uses in their press releases are impossible to find on a map.
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Old July 4th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #2803
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I'm not quite sure why, but it's probably easier internally to refer to projects by the first and last intersection it covers. Sometimes the projects are split in segments of less than 1 km.
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Old July 4th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #2804
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E6 Otta - Dombås

There is a forest fire along E6 in Gudbrandsdalen, north of Otta. It may close E6.





An interesting factoid, Gudbrandsdalen is one of the driest areas in Europe, with an annual precipitation of 375 mm, similar to Albacete, Spain.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 08:59 AM   #2805
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chris - hope that you really enjoyed your drive. Nice pictures too.

When I lived in England in the 90's I did train trip holiday with my folks Bergen-Oslo. We stayed in Voss for a couple of nights.

Did you visit Ulvik? We had a few nights there too in a lovely guesthouse beside the fjord. I remember in parts the drive between Voss and Ulvik (in a small bus) as the road went though an 8km tunnel which is the longest road tunnel I've been through.

I also remember Ulvik for the waitress in the hotel dining room who spoke English well. However when she agreed with us in conversation, she always said Ja whilst breathing in. To us that was hilarious, haven't really met many people who talk when breathing in.

I would love to visit Norway again - maybe one day I'll get there.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 09:27 AM   #2806
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I was close to Ulvik, but went through the Vallavik Tunnel to Granvin, and then along Fv. 7 alongside the Hardangerfjord towards Norheimsund.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 10:31 AM   #2807
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I also remember Ulvik for the waitress in the hotel dining room who spoke English well. However when she agreed with us in conversation, she always said Ja whilst breathing in. To us that was hilarious, haven't really met many people who talk when breathing in.
It is supposedly a fairly rare phenomena, mainly in parts of Northern Europe and even smaller parts of Northern America. Pulmonic ingressive

I have an impression it is more common among women than men, especially younger women, but I have no data to back that up, I could be wrong.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 02:46 PM   #2808
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Rv.7, Hardangervidda

A few photos of riksvei 7 across the Hardangervidda, the largest plateau in Europe.

1. An information sign at the point where convoy driving begins in winter time, from the Geilo side.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

2. View on Hallingskarvet, the highest mountain range of Buskerud. The highest point is at 1.933 meters.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

3. View on Hardangerjøkulen, een large ice cap. The highest point is 1.863 meters and is the highest point in Hordaland.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

4. Lots of ice lakes in June. This looks more interesting than some August photos I've seen.

Hardangervidda June 2014 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

5. The county line between Buskerud and Hordaland.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

6. The initial descent towards Hardangerfjord.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-5 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

7. Hardangervidda is not particularly steep, there is a significant climb from Eidfjord onto Hardangervidda, but the signs say 6% max.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-6 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

8. Riksvei 7 along Vøringsfossen, a large waterfall.

Rv 7 Hardangervidda-7 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old July 5th, 2014, 04:26 PM   #2809
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It is supposedly a fairly rare phenomena, mainly in parts of Northern Europe and even smaller parts of Northern America. Pulmonic ingressive

I have an impression it is more common among women than men, especially younger women, but I have no data to back that up, I could be wrong.
It is more common in phone calls, I guess, as you have to keep saying "ja" and "nei" all the time to keep the dialogue going.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #2810
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A 3.4 km rebuilt section of riksvei 4 south of Lygna ("Lygna sør") opened to traffic earlier this week. It's technically a divided 1+1 road, but with a continuous passing lane northbound. The southbound section as a 1 km passing lane.



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Old July 6th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #2811
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How deep is the Trondheimsfjord?

How much depth clearance would they need for the deepest structures?

Is a "floating drawbridge" ever feasible?
At the place where a bridge is proposed now, the depth is more than 500 m. However, the depth to solid rock is more than 1100 my. Hence, other routes have been proposed for "traditional" tunnels in the past, but all alternatives have needed a length of more than 25 km and depth of more than 550 m.

There is no fixed limit for what depth the offshore yards would like to see. Some of the floaters can have a draft of 150 m or more.

A floating draw bridge does not sound feasible to me.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #2812
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A floating draw bridge does not sound feasible to me.
Why not? Are you an engineer, or are you guessing? Or is it the price you think will be too high?
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Old July 6th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #2813
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Because the opening will be a weak point in a construction that is already pushing what is techno-economic feasible. (and I am working within physics/technology, but have not within civil engineering)
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Old July 6th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #2814
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I can imagine it could be a problem if the bridge can't close completely due to slightly moved pontoons in the water.

Another option for steep fjords may be a large cable-stayed bridge, but with only one set of pylons at the shoreline, and then a large span that could be several hundred meters long to let cruise ships pass near the shoreline. The longest cable-stayed bridge span is in Vladivostok, Russia and is 1.104 meters long. With one set of pylons, a span half that length could be possible.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #2815
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Four people were slightly injured today when a car ferry on the Tjøtta-Forvik connection slammed into the pier today. It's the third accident the company Torghatten has had since they took over the connection a week ago.



Here's a video showing the attempt to maneuver the ferry to pier after the main crash, which resulted in further destruction:

http://www.nrk.no/nordland/flere-ska...jon-1.11818838
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Old July 7th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #2816
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Last week, the ferry Stavanger - Tau had problems three days in a row.

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Tirsdag feide MF "Hardanger" rett inn i kaianlegget metervis fra kaiinngangen på Tau. Ferja fikk såkalt "blackout" og propellene sluttet å fungere.

Onsdag røk festet som skulle holde MF "Stavanger" in til kaikanten da passasjerene skulle kjøre i land.

Torsdag begynte det å brenne i motoren til MF "Stord".
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Old July 9th, 2014, 01:26 PM   #2817
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E39, Bergen

Some photos of E39 through Bergen.

1. The motorway begins at a roundabout with E16 in Åsane, where they are currently constructing a flyover for E39 traffic.

E39 Bergen-1 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

2. Bergen has a toll ring.

E39 Bergen-2 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E39 Bergen-3 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

4. Salhus.

E39 Bergen-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

5. There is a large shopping mall in Åsane.

E39 Bergen-5 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E39 Bergen-6 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E39 Bergen-8 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E39 Bergen-9 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

9. Eidsvåg.

E39 Bergen-10 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

10. The motorway status ends here.

E39 Bergen-11 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

11. Eidsvåg Tunnel.

E39 Bergen-12 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

12. The bypass of Bergen.

E39 Bergen-13 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

13. Minimalistic signage.

E39 Bergen-14 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E39 Bergen-15 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

15. A motorway through your back yard.

E39 Bergen-16 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

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E39 Bergen-17 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

17. Downtown Bergen

E39 Bergen-19 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

18. A complex interchange where E39 meets Rv. 555.

E39 Bergen-20 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr
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Old July 9th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #2818
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Anyway, what's the point of making tolled city bypasses?
Especially, considering that the country is "extremely" rich with oil revenues, has very few people living in, has already one of the highest taxes in the world and the worldwide record for fuel price.
Does its inhabitants are masochists, or are they profoundly anti-car to accept such things?
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Old July 9th, 2014, 01:45 PM   #2819
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Most of the oil revenue is going into the Pension Fund, and is not directly invested in the country. They have enough revenue to build all roads toll-free, but they thought it would fire up inflation if they spend that much money. The Pension Fund contains $ 825 billion.

The Bergen toll ring is not very expensive though.
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Most of the oil revenue is going into the Pension Fund, and is not directly invested in the country. They have enough revenue to build all roads toll-free, but they thought it would fire up inflation if they spend that much money. The Pension Fund contains $ 825 billion.

The Bergen toll ring is not very expensive though.
Why not invest more for the country instead of investing in The Government Pension Fund of Norway (which btw. is not even a pension fund) by reducing its exorbitant (IMO, unnecessarily high) incomes to redistribute them in important national projects, as well, to reduce funny gas prices?
In fact, many roads in Norway are tolled, there is also very few motorway/expressway; so basically these toll roads are mostly 2-lane rural highways or 4 lane "sub-expressway standards" bypasses, not to mention several cities charging motorists just to transit them.
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