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Old October 8th, 2014, 07:02 PM   #3001
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It's obviously going in the right direction when it comes to investment in infrastructure in this country.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 06:06 AM   #3002
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This is nice. Let's just hope they use the money where it will actually repay itself.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:22 AM   #3003
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Just wanna get back to the point about bus lanes, the new E 18 and such.

In my view, bus lanes are a temporary patch. So, when you build a new road (system):
Either, you make sure that the traffic will flow in such a way that the bus is unhindered, or you build separate bus roads away from the main road.
Why? Really, E 18 west of Oslo is an example of how many small components make the road unusable.
  • The bus lane crosses exit "ramps", as it has to. This makes both the bus lane and junction ramps work poorly.
  • In addition, this part of E 18 has a large number of exits, which in any other inter-city motorway would be collected into fewer, but larger junctions.
  • To make matters even worse, the ramps are very short, which makes the queue run back onto the bus lane, and eventually main carriageway.
  • (I believe the situation with exits is even worse going west, which is why there's no bus lane here, only 3 regular lanes.)
These are some of the main reasons why the new E 18 west of Oslo needs to be built. The new road will:
  • Remove through traffic from a inherently local road system.
  • Rebuild and consolidate the many junctions on E 18 into fewer, with ramps that are actually designed to work as ramps, not just a right turn.
  • Build a proper local collector highway with bus priority.

But E 18 won't be "fixed" until the part between Lysaker and Filipstadkaia also is expanded to 6 lanes.

E 18 in Oslo actually does makes sense with seperate bus roads, because of the high traffic volumes. But the new 555 Sotrabrua? Not with those traffic volumes. It's exactly the same with E 18 in Kristiansand. The new Varoddbrua will have a total of 6 lanes, and traffic volumes might reach 60-70.000 in 2040. Guess what? Two separate bus lanes.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #3004
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Ryfylke Tunnel, Stavanger





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Old October 10th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #3005
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more than 400 m in a month? wow!
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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #3006
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That is about 7-8 meters per day on one portal - nothing impressive really.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 03:43 PM   #3007
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The new flyover and Eikås Tunnel at / near the E16/E39 junction just north of Bergen will open to traffic on 16 October. A much-needed improvement.



I believe the full build-out plan is to build a tunnel straight from Åsane to the Nordhordland Bridge.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #3008
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E6 Hålogaland Bridge

Photos of the Hålogaland Bridge near Narvik, taken 12 September.



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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #3009
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E134 Mælefjell Tunnel

A contract has been signed with NCC to construct the Mælefjell Tunnel, also known as the Århus - Gvammen Tunnel. The contract value is 1017 million NOK / € 121 million and construction will take 4.5 years. The tunnel is 9.5 kilometers long. It will be the sixth longest mountain tunnel in Norway.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:49 PM   #3010
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Is Norway considering to build an intercity motorway network (at least in the south, between Oslo, Bergen, Stavanger, Trondheim and Alesund)?
Are there plans to close the gap on the E6 south of Narvik, that is currently served by a ferry?
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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:57 PM   #3011
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Traffic volumes are very low between the large cities, due to the long travel times. For instance, you can drive on E16 or riksvei 7 (both routes between Oslo and Bergen) without seeing oncoming traffic for several minutes. They often carry only around 1,500 vehicles per day on the mountain range crossings, I believe E16 is even below 1,000 at Filefjell.

So building full-standard motorways is exceedingly expensive due to the rugged terrain, and at the same time traffic volumes are far too low to require a four-lane highway (the threshold in Norway is 12,000 vehicles per day if I'm not mistaken). I don't think we'll ever see a motorway linking Oslo and Bergen.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #3012
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Traffic volumes are very low between the large cities, due to the long travel times. For instance, you can drive on E16 or riksvei 7 (both routes between Oslo and Bergen) without seeing oncoming traffic for several minutes. They often carry only around 1,500 vehicles per day on the mountain range crossings, I believe E16 is even below 1,000 at Filefjell.

So building full-standard motorways is exceedingly expensive due to the rugged terrain, and at the same time traffic volumes are far too low to require a four-lane highway (the threshold in Norway is 12,000 vehicles per day if I'm not mistaken). I don't think we'll ever see a motorway linking Oslo and Bergen.
Not over one of the mountain-passes no, but four-lane motorway around the south coast will possibly be built within 15-20 years.

The (then) government decided in 2010 that E18 between Oslo and Kristiansand is to be rebuilt to a motorway. No financing or time for completion was signaled, and vegvesenet has been, and is still planning to put down steel between the lanes, on sections where motorway is not currently under planning. Exception from the 2010-plan is the 12km section between Brokelandsheia and Akland, which was finished as a 2+1 road with central barrier in 2004. Guess by time this section will be widened as well.

On E39 between Kristiansand and Stavanger the decision to build motorway, insted of 2+1 was made earlier this year, and the section might be completed around 2030. Søgne-Lindesnes and Ålgård-Sandnes is currently under planning. Also some shorter sections here has been projected as 2+1, and one of them was built (only a few kilometers). Not sure if they´re reprojecting the planned sections, or what happens with them.

E39 Bergen-Stavanger will probably have motorway on the sections Stavanger-Bokn during early 2020´s, aswell as Os-Bergen, which is scheduled for completion in 2019. Stord-Os is currently being planned by state plan, which means that the municipalities will not have the opportunity to disagree on where the bridge across Bjørnafjorden is landing. Planning of motorway on the rest of the section is scheduled to start next year Statens vegvesen reported as late as today. 2+1 was the intention on this section also, only a year or two ago.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 08:36 AM   #3013
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Are there plans to close the gap on the E6 south of Narvik, that is currently served by a ferry?
There is some local noise around a fixed link but the government says no.

The current AADT figures are low, around 500 with peaks in the summertime. The technical challenges are similar to those unresolved ones at Sognefjord: Depth of the sea is 700+ metres, and the width of the crossing is 3+ kilometers.

At the outer areas of Tysfjorden, the sea is shallower, 200-300 meters. That would make it possible to build an undersea tunnel. Its length would be 20 kilometres, and it would add about 30 kilometers to the current route.

Another option would a route to the east of Tysfjorden. It would be around 90 kilometers long needing tens of kilometers of tunnels. That would probably be no go because it would open a strategically sensitive area to the public: Norway is only 6 kilometers wide at Hellmobotn.



I do not believe the Norwegian government is interested in putting much effort to the E6 section from Fauske to Narvik. The long-haul cargo traffic between the South and the North would anyway use the routes over Sweden and Finland.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:07 AM   #3014
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Not over one of the mountain-passes no, but four-lane motorway around the south coast will possibly be built within 15-20 years.
Even with a coastal motorway, the traffic between Oslo and Bergen would still go through the mountains (except if the passes were closed, which is quite rare). The coastal motorway from Oslo to Bergen would take at least 7 h (expecting 80 km/h through urban areas and 110 km/h elsewhere); even today's E16 and 7 take both less than that.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #3015
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That would probably be no go because it would open a strategically sensitive area to the public: Norway is only 6 kilometers wide at Hellmobotn.
What has this to do with building the road? A floating bridge would be better than 90km road trough unpopulated land tough.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #3016
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What has this to do with building the road?
I have understood that the Norwegian Armed Forces are not very keen on making that area too easily accessible. If I recall, building the current E10 over Bjørnfjell was postponed for decades mainly because the Norwegian Armed Forces opposed it as a risk.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #3017
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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #3018
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Even with a coastal motorway, the traffic between Oslo and Bergen would still go through the mountains
I´ve never said anything else! Only pointed out that it might be possible driving on a motorway all the way one day. If you really want to take a detour around the south coast
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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #3019
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The new Eikås Tunnel on E39 just north of Bergen. Reportedly there was already a traffic jam today.

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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #3020
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Is Norway considering to build an intercity motorway network (at least in the south, between Oslo, Bergen, Stavanger, Trondheim and Alesund)?
Are there plans to close the gap on the E6 south of Narvik, that is currently served by a ferry?
Eventually (20-30 years) pretty much all of E18/E39 along the south coast between Oslo-Kristiansand-Stavanger-Bergen will be a 4-lane motorway. Most norwegians live along the south coast so this is where the need is biggest.

The only 4 lane motorway stretches inland E16(rv7) between Oslo-Bergen i can see being built is between Oslo-Hønefoss and Bergen-Trengereid (maybe Voss). Between Hønefoss and Voss there is just no need.
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