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Old October 26th, 2014, 01:29 PM   #3041
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See the Autopass map

'every 5 km or so' is a bit of an exaggeration
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Old October 26th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #3042
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Some tunnels do have fogging problems. Many tunnels are just bare rock, but some have treated walls to prevent water seepage.
Bare rock is no longer allowed on new tunnels, mostly to reduce the danger of (small) falling rocks. The average rock quality in Norway is fairly good on average, which is why blasting can be used so much, but mapping and surveying the geology is of course a very important task of any tunnel project.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 08:30 PM   #3043
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Isn't this why the new E 16 over Sollihøgda now costs 600 MNOK more? Because surveying has uncovered poor rock quality? It's perhaps better to know the budget overrun beforehand.
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Results of the geological surveys in the Rogfast project are positive. They only found rock of good quality for tunnel building.



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Old October 28th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #3045
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I drove from Gothenburg to Arendal a couple of months ago, and iirc there was a stretch on E18 where you couldn't overtake for like 50 km or something like that. And on the new motorway stretches there were tolls every 5 km or so. Since then I don't feel as bad driving on a Swedish 2+1 road, lol.
Next time you're better off using Strömstad - Sandefjord, a lot cheaper that the drive.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #3046
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There are major traffic disruptions in western Norway. E16 is closed at two stretches due to flooding and rockslides. E136 is closed near Rauma due to a possible major rockslide. The mountain in question is part of the Troll Wall, the highest vertical rock wall in Europe. The lake at Voss has flooded to levels not seen since the 19th century.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 07:38 PM   #3047
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There are major traffic disruptions in western Norway. E16 is closed at two stretches due to flooding and rockslides. E136 is closed near Rauma due to a possible major rockslide. The mountain in question is part of the Troll Wall, the highest vertical rock wall in Europe. The lake at Voss has flooded to levels not seen since the 19th century.
E136 is open. The authorities are prepared to close it in a very short notice.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #3048
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I drove from Gothenburg to Arendal a couple of months ago, and iirc there was a stretch on E18 where you couldn't overtake for like 50 km or something like that. And on the new motorway stretches there were tolls every 5 km or so. Since then I don't feel as bad driving on a Swedish 2+1 road, lol.
If you drive from Trondheim the south there is only 1 passing lane before Lilliehamer, and a very odd stretch of 4 lane which is about 500m long before Oppdall, going North from Lilliehamer there is only one passing lane on the hill up to Dombås and the aforementioned 4 lane outside Oppdal until you reach Trondheim, Norway doesn't believe in safe passing they would rather you risk life and limb passing or stay stuck behind farmer Ola in his tractor, mum and dad Norman towing a camping vogen or bobil. Long distance driving in Norway is not recommended. My recommendation is if you have to do it start out very early in the morning or drive through the night.

Thinking about the odd little 500 or so metre stretch of 4 lane North of Oppdal, does anyone know the reason for this?
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I drove from Gothenburg to Arendal a couple of months ago, and iirc there was a stretch on E18 where you couldn't overtake for like 50 km or something like that. And on the new motorway stretches there were tolls every 5 km or so. Since then I don't feel as bad driving on a Swedish 2+1 road, lol.
If you drive from Trondheim the south there is only 1 passing lane before Lilliehamer, and a very odd stretch of 4 lane which is about 500m long before Oppdall, going North from Lilliehamer there is only one passing lane on the hill up to Dombas and the aforementioned 4 lane outside Oppdal until you reach Trondheim, Norway doesn't believe in safe passing they would rather you risk life and limb passing or stay stuck behind farmer Ola in his tractor, mum and dad Norman towing a camping vogen or bobil. Long distanbce driving in Norway is not recommended. My recommendation is if you have to do it start out very early in the morning or drive through the night.

Does anyone know the reason for the odd 500 or so metre stretch of 4 lane North of Oppdal?
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If you drive from Trondheim the south there is only 1 passing lane before Lilliehamer, and a very odd stretch of 4 lane which is about 500m long before Oppdall, going North from Lilliehamer there is only one passing lane on the hill up to Dombas and the aforementioned 4 lane outside Oppdal until you reach Trondheim, Norway doesn't believe in safe passing they would rather you risk life and limb passing or stay stuck behind farmer Ola in his tractor, mum and dad Norman towing a camping vogen or bobil. Long distanbce driving in Norway is not recommended. My recommendation is if you have to do it start out very early in the morning or drive through the night.

Does anyone know the reason for the odd 500 or so metre stretch of 4 lane North of Oppdal?
Well, there are a few more actually. The first miles (scandinavian) north of Lillehammer there are some passing lanes in each direction with a lenght of about 1,5 km each. Also, there is a passing lane northbound from Dombås up to Dovrefjell, in addition to the one you describe.

In Trøndelag theres no four-lane stretch south of Melhus, but theres a southbound passing lane for a couple of kilometers somewhere between Støren and Oppdal. If there were a four-laner there, the reason would most probably be passing.

And I agree with you that Norway is a country where driving is an at-all-time game with the death. Probably the most dangerous traffic in the world! Farmers with a hay-fork on their tractor who on purpose drive into poor tourists in a Yaris. In addition, everything else here i completely messed up by socialist politicians... Thinking about emigrating soon. Maybe to New Zealand or something......
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Probably the most dangerous traffic in the world!
Norway had 29 traffic fatalities per 1 million inhabitants in 2012, which would put it in the top 3 safest countries in the world.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #3052
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Norway had 29 traffic fatalities per 1 million inhabitants in 2012, which would put it in the top 3 safest countries in the world.
I know. Just a little joke to top it ;-)
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Norway had 29 traffic fatalities per 1 million inhabitants in 2012, which would put it in the top 3 safest countries in the world.
This is probably due to the incredibly slow speeds we drive at. Ever noticed Norwegian registered vehicles on European motorways, most are driven below the posted speed limit. Norwegian drivers are scared of speed, many are afraid to drive 80kph on a hot sunny day without a cloud in the sky, when the rain come 80kph quickly turn to 60kph.

Better roads with central divides and frequent passing lanes would make driving more pleasurable.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 11:43 PM   #3054
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Well, there are a few more actually. The first miles (scandinavian) north of Lillehammer there are some passing lanes in each direction with a lenght of about 1,5 km each. Also, there is a passing lane northbound from Dombås up to Dovrefjell, in addition to the one you describe.

In Trøndelag theres no four-lane stretch south of Melhus, but theres a southbound passing lane for a couple of kilometers somewhere between Støren and Oppdal. If there were a four-laner there, the reason would most probably be passing.

And I agree with you that Norway is a country where driving is an at-all-time game with the death. Probably the most dangerous traffic in the world! Farmers with a hay-fork on their tractor who on purpose drive into poor tourists in a Yaris. In addition, everything else here i completely messed up by socialist politicians... Thinking about emigrating soon. Maybe to New Zealand or something......
The four lane is a few KM's before Oppdal on a corner, it a surprise when you get to is.

You get my point in several hundred KM of road there are only two proper passing zones North and South, this is not good enough, we have the money, we should spend it improving infrastructure, and I mean real tangible projects which benefit the majority of people not these pork barrel projects which cost a lot of money and benefit few.
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If Norway builds tunnels like crazy, why not fix these less-than-2-lane-wide bottlenecks (literally)?
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Old October 29th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #3056
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The four lane is a few KM's before Oppdal on a corner, it a surprise when you get to is.

You get my point in several hundred KM of road there are only two proper passing zones North and South, this is not good enough, we have the money, we should spend it improving infrastructure, and I mean real tangible projects which benefit the majority of people not these pork barrel projects which cost a lot of money and benefit few.
I'm pretty sure it's just 2+1, but I'm not gonna argue on that.

Yes, I unserstood your point, but fact is as Chris writes. Norway has the third lowest road-death per capita in the world, and that is a very positive thing IMO.

I agree tho, that we have a long way to go before Norway has a modern and effecient transportation-network.
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The four lane is a few KM's before Oppdal on a corner, it a surprise when you get to is.

You get my point in several hundred KM of road there are only two proper passing zones North and South, this is not good enough, we have the money, we should spend it improving infrastructure, and I mean real tangible projects which benefit the majority of people not these pork barrel projects which cost a lot of money and benefit few.
The projects you speak of is already becomming reality in Trøndelag, 30km motorway and 40km 2+1. (2023) and Gudbrandsdalen, 50km 2+1 (2020.)
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This is probably due to the incredibly slow speeds we drive at. Ever noticed Norwegian registered vehicles on European motorways, most are driven below the posted speed limit. Norwegian drivers are scared of speed, many are afraid to drive 80kph on a hot sunny day without a cloud in the sky, when the rain come 80kph quickly turn to 60kph.

Better roads with central divides and frequent passing lanes would make driving more pleasurable.
Man, I wish I had remembered to do this last time I was driving overseas!
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Man, I wish I had remembered to do this last time I was driving overseas!
You're probably young, next time you go on a car ferry watch the mama og papa and their bil full of barne when they get onto the motorway's in Danmark or Kiel.
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I'm pretty sure it's just 2+1, but I'm not gonna argue on that.
Definitely 2+1. Don't really agree on Rob's point regarding Norwegian drivers abroad either, after all, the people getting that far are the ones who like to drive ;-). However, there is no doubt that Norwegian roads have a long way to go, and still scores of short-sighted decisions are being made.
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