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Old January 3rd, 2015, 03:07 PM   #3141
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Still they are bought, and this means that their limit in other countries is economical, not technical.
I think it's still a bit of a mixed bag albeit improving rapidly. A range and charging time is still an issue. More importantly charging stations are scarce in most areas.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 04:14 PM   #3142
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Is there a network of charging stations along E16 and Rv17 that allows travelling on electrical cars to places like Mo i Rana, Bodø or Trondheim?
You probably mean E6. That's the very long road to the remote North. E16 goes W-E from Bergen to Oslo and then to Sweden.
Anyway, according to the map, Kirkeness seem still out-of-reach for electrical vehicles.
Moreover, the lack of charging stations in other European countries is surely a limit to the diffusion of electric cars in Norway. Many people consider that they will drive abroad when they buy a car.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 05:18 PM   #3143
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I was taking a look at Tesla website and, apparently, they will be deploying many superchargers over Europe this next spring.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:27 PM   #3144
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Interesting data. I didn't know that electric\hybrid cars were so popular in Norway (or in any country). A proof that electric vehicles for mainstream market are already a viable option.
Also the share of cars with automatic trasmission is very high for being an European country, in Italy is around 10%.
Automatic transmission results in lower emissions, so it's a bit cheaper in Norway.
Also, it is a smaller percentage of the total price of the car compared to other European countries, due to already high car prices here in Norway. So I guess most people choose it because it gives a better driving experience for just a few thousand kroners.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:36 PM   #3145
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Automatic transmission results in lower emissions, so it's a bit cheaper in Norway.
Hmm, cars with automatic transmission tend to be heavier, resulting in more CO2 emissions per kilometer compared to manual transmission. In the Netherlands that means higher car purchase tax and higher road tax.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:44 PM   #3146
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No Volvos sold in the EU come from China -they are designed and built in Europe by Europeans.
Ownership talks. For instance, some Mercedes Benz models are built in Finland. Despite of that, MB is considered a German car, not a Finnish one. Again, Toyota is a Japanese cup of rice, even if most of the models sold in Europe are built in Europe. Volvo has been a Chinese make for a few years.

Regardless of its origin, Volvo is heavily overrated and overpriced. There is no such logic in place that Scandinavian people should buy Scandinavian cars.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:52 PM   #3147
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Hmm, cars with automatic transmission tend to be heavier, resulting in more CO2 emissions per kilometer compared to manual transmission. In the Netherlands that means higher car purchase tax and higher road tax.
It depends. Modern DSGs are more effective in terms of emissions and gas consumption than a manual transmission. The traditional torque converter based box tends to be less effective, but the gap is being closed by the electronic control features.

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Old January 18th, 2015, 03:09 PM   #3148
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The Ministry of Transport and Communications have sent out a letter saying that, as a rule, main roads should from now on be built without roundabouts and be guided outside of built up areas.

http://www.bygg.no/article/1222813
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Old January 18th, 2015, 03:37 PM   #3149
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I was just reading that at NRK as well: http://www.nrk.no/trondelag/krever-n...ger-1.12157636

I believe the E6 Lillehammer - Trondheim was planned to have quite a number of roundabouts.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #3150
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Oh my. I was just about to post that exact same story.

This is good news!
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Old January 18th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #3151
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I've been waiting for this to happen for so long! The four worst examples I know of are:
Rv. 159 at Lillestrøm: You go straight into a roundabout from a tunnel with a speed limit of 90 km/h.
The intersection between E16 and rv. 7 just outside of Hønefoss: This is especially bad on sundays when cabin-owners are going home to Oslo and Bærum.
The new Føkserød interchange on E18 outside Sandefjord: Before the extension of E18, it was a nice trumpet interchange, and now there are two completely unnecessary roundabouts.
The exit on E18 to Akland, Aust-Agder: It's the only roundabout on E18 between Oslo and Kristiansand.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #3152
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New standard for motorways outside built-up areas. It replaces standards H8 and H9. The new standard tightens up vertical and horizontal curves a bit. New motorways will be constructed for a speed-limit of 110 km/h + safety margin (may be ca. 15 km/h). Old standard was 100 km/h + ca. 15 km/h. This is minimum standards, so many streches could of course have higher design speed.

http://www.vegvesen.no/_attachment/7...110+km%2Ft.pdf

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Old January 19th, 2015, 08:52 PM   #3153
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I was just reading that at NRK as well: http://www.nrk.no/trondelag/krever-n...ger-1.12157636

I believe the E6 Lillehammer - Trondheim was planned to have quite a number of roundabouts.
Only new roundabout planned on that section I know, is where Rv. 15 meets E6 at Otta. That is with the exception of the new E6 in Oppdal. Another was planned at Ringebu, but this has since been dropped, and a grade separated intersection is planned. At the western landing of the new bridge between Moelv and Biri, south of Lillehammer, todays roundabout is planned to be replaced by a grade separated intersection too.


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New standard for motorways outside built-up areas. It replaces standards H8 and H9. The new standard tightens up vertical and horizontal curves a bit. New motorways will be constructed for a speed-limit of 110 km/h + safety margin (may be ca. 15 km/h). Old standard was 100 km/h + ca. 15 km/h. This is minimum standards, so many streches could of course have higher design speed.

http://www.vegvesen.no/_attachment/7...110+km%2Ft.pdf
They´ve only removed the first line of N100 for now, until it´s revised. Dozing is still at 7,5% at 800 meters, and the vertical alignment is still the same for an 800+ curve.

The minimum horizontal curve is starting to become very high in my opinion. But I´m not gonna challenge the people making N100. They know what they´re doing, and gives the road the feeling of good dynamic. May come at a high cost some places tho.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 12:04 AM   #3154
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Ownership talks. For instance, some Mercedes Benz models are built in Finland. Despite of that, MB is considered a German car, not a Finnish one. Again, Toyota is a Japanese cup of rice, even if most of the models sold in Europe are built in Europe. Volvo has been a Chinese make for a few years.

Regardless of its origin, Volvo is heavily overrated and overpriced. There is no such logic in place that Scandinavian people should buy Scandinavian cars.
Nooo it doesn't work like that either.

Jaguar Land Rover owners Indian still considered British
Rolls Royce owners German still considered British
Bentley owners German still considered British
MINI owners German still considered British
Fiat Chrysler Auto what are they, the headquarters are now in London, with major shareholders in Italy and the USA.
Daimler Benz only 33% of shareholders are German, the rest are not, the largest investor is in Kuwait.

Volvo is Swedish, the owners aren't but the brand is.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #3155
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Old January 20th, 2015, 03:23 AM   #3156
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They´ve only removed the first line of N100 for now, until it´s revised. Dozing is still at 7,5% at 800 meters, and the vertical alignment is still the same for an 800+ curve.

The minimum horizontal curve is starting to become very high in my opinion. But I´m not gonna challenge the people making N100. They know what they´re doing, and gives the road the feeling of good dynamic. May come at a high cost some places tho.
Well, it's actually a new dimention class replacing H8 and H9. And they do increase the values for "lavbrekk", "klotoider" etc. a bit, also for a 800 m curve. But not as much as they should have done, if they want to keep the same safety margin, I guess.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #3157
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Interesting data

Although I kinda assumed that Volvo would've taken the #1 spot (especially since it is the only local/regional automaker in the Scandinavian/Nordic region)
In Denmark - another Scandinavian country - Volvo is not very popular at all. It is not at the top 20 neither as a brand nor as single models

2014 numbers - 2013 numbers in parenthesis

1. Volkswagen: 23.030 (24.372)
2. Peugeot: 18.237 (14.137)
3. Ford: 14.959 (15.254)
4. Skoda: 13.322 (13.704)
5. Toyota: 13.181 (14.476)
6. Citroën: 12.800 (12.467)
7. Renault: 11.333 (11.759)
8. Kia: 9.764 (10.954)
9. Hyundai: 9.220 (8.077)
10. Nissan: 7.754 (6.098)
11. Opel: 7.470 (6.474)
12. Audi: 6.761 (6.045)
13. Suzuki: 5.958 (5.486)
14. Mercedes: 5.030 (4.280)
15. Seat: 4.526 (4.938)
16. BMW: 4.131 (3.959)
17. Mazda: 3.978 (3.205)
18. Fiat: 3.931 (5.901)
19. Dacia: 2.822 (684)
20. Chevrolet: 2.462 (4.953)

Models:
1. VW Up: 10.106 (12.909)
2. Peugeot 108/107: 6.270 (4.961)
3. Peugeot 208: 5.702 (5.697 *)
4. Skoda Octavia: 5.406 (3.537)
5. Toyota Aygo: 5.336 (6.272)
6. VW Golf: 5.185 (4.190)
7. Ford Fiesta: 5.082 (5.451)
8. Citroën C1: 4.584 (4.521)
9. Renault Clio: 4.570 (5.550)
10. Ford Ka: 4.209 (3.874)
11. Skoda Citigo: 4.127 (6.015)
12. Kia Picanto: 4.018 (4.681)
13. VW Polo: 3.904 (3.206)
14. Toyota Yaris: 3.701 (3.229)
15. Nissan Qashqai: 3.480 (2.026)
16. Kia Rio: 3.470 (3.544)
17. Hyundai i20: 3.323 (3.544)
18. Peugeot 308: 2.932 (1.134)
19. Renault Captur: 2.859 (1.025)
20. Hyundai i10: 2.809 (1.888)

* Inkl. Peugeot 207
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Old January 21st, 2015, 03:14 PM   #3158
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Denmark is definitely the (culturally) least Scandinavian of the Scandinavian countries. Denmark has a lot more in common with the Netherlands and Germany than it does with Sweden, so it makes sense that volvos aren't more common in DK.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 04:16 PM   #3159
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Plus, Volvo is not a lawbudget car in DK.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 04:21 PM   #3160
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I drove my Hyundai i10 through Norway last summer. Outside Bergen and Oslo I clearly had the smallest car on the road. Electric cars also disappear once you get farther from the big cities. Most i10s are powered by a 65 HP 1.1L petrol engine, but I have the rarer 85 HP 1.2L engine, which is clearly a plus in the mountains (I drove across the highest pass in France without problems). The one thing I was less comfortable with, was driving across rough gravel roads at road construction zones. They are not common in the Netherlands. The tires are pretty small and the car doesn't come with a spare tire (I do have one now).
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