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Old February 23rd, 2015, 09:07 AM   #3221
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Just to be clear on this, what I interpret as a decent 1+1 is a 12.5 m wide road with barriers separating the lanes following standards of curvature etc. which is often far from what current Norwegian highways have. Hence, bringing the entire E-network (6000 km) up to this standard would be very expensive.
Ok, so there was a misunderstanding. I just mean roads that have one lane in each direction, allowing two trucks going to different directions pass each other anywhere they happen to meet, without slowing down to walking speed. Not much to ask, I'd say.

Here's 4/E75 in Finland, approaching Tana valley https://maps.google.fi/maps?ll=69.68...57.05,,0,13.69

Here's E6 in Tana valley https://maps.google.fi/maps?ll=69.81...12,8.3,,0,7.37
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Old February 26th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #3222
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I completely agree. Two lanes should be a minimum for the ~10 000 km of national roads in Norway (which includes the E-roads), although the road you pointed to only has an AADT of around 300. However, even this job is not a small undertaking. In 2011, a total of 6 900 km was narrower than 8.5 m. 1 666 km was "single lane", which means that the road is less than 6 m wide and lacking the center line (as as shown on OulaL's picture).

The same report of Vegvesenet also provided a traffic map overview of the national roads back in 2010:


More detailed traffic info can btw be found here, but it helps to be fluent in Norwegian and have a few hacker genes.... It shows for instance that there is great variation also in the type of traffic between the routes. The record with regards to truck traffic is perhaps Rv 3 which has a truck fraction up to about 30 % on sections dominated by transit traffic, which is about three times what is found in urban areas and also much higher than similar sections on other important transit roads such as E-16, E-134, and E-6.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #3223
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Riksvei 77 Tjernfjellet


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A 3,4km long tunnel on Riksvei 77 in Nordland will be built starting this autumn, and it will be completed earliest autumn 2018. The tunnel including a new intersection with E6 will replace a steep, dangerous and narrow 4km section with a 10% grade. The road connects to Swedish Riksväg 95 and has a 26% truck share.

Here's a video of the current stretch. Surely would be a scary winter drive with a truck.


Road 77 to E6 near Junkerdal with Scania R480 by Giel
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Old March 15th, 2015, 10:01 PM   #3224
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The road has a 26% truck share.
It sounds high, but should be seen in perspective, the AADT is only 370 vehicles per day. But yes, a definite improvement. I know they're getting sick in Norway by all the (foreign) truck accidents in the winter with prolonged road closures.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 10:29 PM   #3225
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It sounds high, but should be seen in perspective, the AADT is only 370 vehicles per day. But yes, a definite improvement. I know they're getting sick in Norway by all the (foreign) truck accidents in the winter with prolonged road closures.
A tunnel with similar length, Umskartunnelen was completed 2006 on E12 with only around 600 AADT, so I guess the Norwegians regard the connections with Sweden as important as alternative routes are fare between, at least in the north.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 11:30 PM   #3226
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Here's a video of the current stretch. Surely would be a scary winter drive with a truck.
It is a scary stretch even in a good summer conditions driving a passenger car. I know, by experience.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 11:48 PM   #3227
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A tunnel with similar length, Umskartunnelen was completed 2006 on E12 with only around 600 AADT, so I guess the Norwegians regard the connections with Sweden as important as alternative routes are fare between, at least in the north.
The AADT is not a very clever basis for decision making in very sparsely populated areas. The basic road network is kept in a decent state despite of low average figures. In addition, in the touristic areas, the AADT may be a meaningless figure because the summer traffic per day may be 20 times the winter traffic.

For example, the AADT figures on the roads heading to Norway from Finland, are very low on the Finnish side. From west to east 21/E8: 400, 93: 400, 92: 250, 4/E75: 200, 970 Nuorgam: no data, 971: 220. Still, the roads are kept in a rather good condition, and open all year long. I think the same logic applies at the Swedish-Norwegian border.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #3228
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How the road-administration thinks the norwegian highway-network should look like in 2050. Black is motorways/four lane roads, purple highways with a central divider and occational passing lanes, while green is standard two-lane roads, 7,5 - 10 meters wide.

Source: http://www.tu.no/samferdsel/2015/03/...-fire-ar-siden
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Old March 18th, 2015, 09:18 PM   #3229
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2050 and still no Tysfjord fixed link.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 12:49 AM   #3230
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2050 and still no Tysfjord fixed link.
Tysfjord, as all other National highway-routes is planned to be ferry-free, by the road-administrations ambitions. Guess the map has a couple of holes on that part, as also the Sognefjord has a gap in the E39-line.

How far we`ll get to this, further or shorter remains to see. I`m starting to become quite old in 2050 (if I`m still alive), so the joy will be mostly for future generations. A lot can, and will probably happen to the ambitions, for better or worse, and Norways economy will probably not be as good as it has the last decades with ageing population, and a social budget, and public sector thats expanding uncontrolled. Not good to tell what will be prioritised in the future, but a good transport-network is gonna crusial in a future with low oil-prices, or no oil-incomes at all.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 10:27 PM   #3231
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Another segment of the Skjeggestad Bridge was blown to smithereens today.

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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:35 AM   #3232
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Is the parallel viaduct currently open with an 1+1 configuration?
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Old March 26th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #3233
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E39, Rogfast

The cost for the Rogfast megaproject (Boknafjord Tunnel) is estimated at 14.2 billion crowns, or around € 1.65 billion. The toll component can be repaid in 20 years, assuming a 5.5% interest rate. The tunnel is circa 26.7 kilometers long and has two tubes with two lanes each way (basically a motorway).

The projected toll is 300 crowns for cars (circa € 35) and 900 crowns for trucks (circa € 105).

Construction could begin in late 2016, with an opening in 2024. It will be the longest road tunnel in the world, a title already held by Norway.
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The cost for the Rogfast megaproject (Boknafjord Tunnel) is estimated at 14.2 billion crowns, or around € 1.65 billion. The toll component can be repaid in 20 years, assuming a 5.5% interest rate. The tunnel is circa 26.7 kilometers long and has two tubes with two lanes each way (basically a motorway).

The projected toll is 300 crowns for cars (circa € 35) and 900 crowns for trucks (circa € 105).

Construction could begin in late 2016, with an opening in 2024. It will be the longest road tunnel in the world, a title already held by Norway.
More than the Femer international tunnel ?
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Old March 26th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #3235
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More than the Femer international tunnel ?
According to Wikipedia, the Fehmarn Belt Fixed Link will be 17.6 km long. The Rogfast tunnel will be 26.7 km long. The Ryfast tunnel, which is under construction, will be 14.3 km long
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Is the parallel viaduct currently open with an 1+1 configuration?
No, it has been closed since the collapse, but it will be opened after they secure the foundations of the bridge. This wil also be done on the old foundations of the now demolished bridge, which will be rebuilt by the same company and in almost exactly the same design.

The remaining bridge will open before the summer holiday, according to the latest reports, indeed as an 1+1 configuration.

http://www.nrk.no/vestfold/apner-tro...der-1.12224480
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According to Wikipedia, the Fehmarn Belt Fixed Link will be 17.6 km long.
The immersed section of the Femern Tunnel is 17.6 kilometers long. However, there are also conventional tunnel approaches, so the total tunnel length is closer to 18.2 km. Still considerably shorter than either the Lærdal Tunnel or The Boknafjord Tunnel, but tied with the recently opened Yamate Tunnel in Tokyo.
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The immersed section of the Femern Tunnel is 17.6 kilometers long. However, there are also conventional tunnel approaches, so the total tunnel length is closer to 18.2 km. Still considerably shorter than either the Lærdal Tunnel or The Boknafjord Tunnel, but tied with the recently opened Yamate Tunnel in Tokyo.
And Frejus will cease to be the longest international road tunnel in the world.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #3239
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Opening of E6 Korslund – Langset (3,8km) in Norway has been concretized from spring 2015 to june 2015.
E6: Korslund – Langset 3.8km (2012 to June 2015) – projectmap

I've checked the project page info. It's just reported to be opened in 2015, for instance: > click <.

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De siste kilometrene av E6 og dobbeltsporet jernbane åpner i 2015, mens lokalveg og gang-og sykkelveg åpner i 2016.

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The last kilometers of E6 and double track opens in 2015, while lokalveg and pedestrian and cycle opens in 2016.
Is the estimated opening in June 2015 still up-to-date? Is the opening already agreed on a day?
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June 2015 still on this summary page: http://www.vegvesen.no/Europaveg/e6m...akta/Fremdrift

If they're delayed, they haven't announced that.
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