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Old May 8th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #3261
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Congested bus lanes is mostly a problem in the Oslo-region. It's perhaps more important that the counties will get the power to decide whether or not electric cars will pay on toll roads. Ferries will continue to be free, and there won't be any taxes and fees when buying an electric car.
I say they should pay, electric cars cause just as much wear and tear as conventional vehicles. Didn't the govt say they would revisit taxing electric vehicles in 2 years time? I think they should start taxing them gradually, 20% each year until they end up paying the full rate.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 01:05 PM   #3262
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Update on Skjeggestad Bruer:

Work on making two-lane traffic possible over the remaining bridge will be done before this summer. This will last until next summer, when the new bridge, where works starts this September, will be done. The new bridge will be almost identical to the old one.

Source: http://www.nrk.no/vestfold/e18-kjorb...ien-1.12331884 (Norwegian)

OSM already reflects the situation as it will be when the road opens before this summer:
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Old May 12th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #3263
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The recommended alignment of E18/E39 around Kristiansand has been presented:
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Old May 13th, 2015, 08:03 PM   #3264
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The road to Geiranger and Trollstigen opened today. Drone video of the snow clearing:

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Old May 13th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #3265
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Congested bus lanes is mostly a problem in the Oslo-region. It's perhaps more important that the counties will get the power to decide whether or not electric cars will pay on toll roads. Ferries will continue to be free, and there won't be any taxes and fees when buying an electric car.
For the record congestion in bus lanes is not about electric cars. It is about poor road manners and poor road design.

Said bus lanes are not interior express lanes, but rather are placed on the outsidemost lane where they overlap with the on- and off-ramps to the road, with rather predictable consequences.

On top of that - at least on E18 coming in from the western suburbs of Oslo into the city - you have rather egoistic drivers of non electric cars who as the enter the highway from those on-ramps described above, insist on "sneaking" about 50-100 meters further on the reserved bus lane than they are allowed to, then scared of getting a fine for being in the bus lane, they then stop and try to merge into the regular lanes, in the process blocking the bus lane.

That this has, in the local press, somehow been blamed on electric vehicles is one of the most embarrassing episodes for them IMO, in terms of exposing their lack of journalistic integrity.

But people pick up the newspapers, then read this completely wrong "news" about electric cars being at fault, swallow it and repeat it.
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Old May 14th, 2015, 01:19 PM   #3266
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Norwegian detour

There was a landslide across E6 in Northern Norway on Sunday, and Finnmark, the northernmost county, was cut off from the rest of the country. The detour was 6-700 km via Finland....

The road is now open with a single lane past the landslide location, with occasional closures.
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Old May 14th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #3267
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There was a landslide across E6 in Northern Norway on Sunday, and Finnmark, the northernmost county, was cut off from the rest of the country. The detour was 6-700 km via Finland....

The road is now open with a single lane past the landslide location, with occasional closures.
The E6 has been sometimes closed between Karasjok and Tana Bru while Fv98 has been closed for winter. That causes problems to the cargo traffic as the customs offices in Karigasniemi and Utsjoki are closed at nights. To keep the detour via Finland open, these offices at the Finnish/Norwegian border have been opened temporarily to operate 24 hours a day. This is amazing because the authorities typically are not that flexible.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 03:22 PM   #3268
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E16 Filefjell

A video about the E16 Filefell project (in norwegian).


Statens vegvesen - Nye E16 Filefjell by Vegvesenet
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Old May 17th, 2015, 03:18 AM   #3269
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To keep the detour via Finland open, these offices at the Finnish/Norwegian border have been opened temporarily to operate 24 hours a day. This is amazing because the authorities typically are not that flexible.
In the north they are allowed to use common sense.

On the other hand, I see no reason to bother Finnish authorities anyway regarding Norwegian internal transports. Smuggling probably isn't an issue in this direction. So even if the customs were closed, Norwegian internal transports could be allowed, provided they don't unload while in the EU (and why would they...)

Of course Norwegians could still have some random checks, which they probably do anyway.
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Old May 17th, 2015, 12:10 PM   #3270
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In the north they are allowed to use common sense.

On the other hand, I see no reason to bother Finnish authorities anyway regarding Norwegian internal transports. Smuggling probably isn't an issue in this direction. So even if the customs were closed, Norwegian internal transports could be allowed, provided they don't unload while in the EU (and why would they...)

Of course Norwegians could still have some random checks, which they probably do anyway.
If the cargo crosses the border, it is not any more internal traffic to Norway but international cargo subject to zillions of regulations. The cargo may be originated in a third country, too, such as Russia. That is why it is easiest to go by the book.
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Old May 19th, 2015, 04:15 PM   #3271
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E39 Hordfast

The western and eastern alternatives for the Hordfast project have been scrapped. They are now gunning for a straight route north across Bjørnafjord, as a circa 51 - 55 kilometer long motorway from Stord to Os.

Bjørnafjord is over 500 meters deep in this area. It is 5 - 6 kilometers wide. This rules out any conventional tunnel or bridge solution. They are exploring several options, including floating bridges and floating tunnels.

Langenuen is a narrow strait between Stord and Tysnes. All alternatives call for a large suspension bridge, with a main span between 1200 and 1600 meters (i.e. as big as the Great Belt Bridge in Denmark). In addition, smaller bridges and/or tunnels are needed to cross side fjords on Tysnes.

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Old May 19th, 2015, 08:02 PM   #3272
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All these projects sounds cool and all but building is one thing, then you need to keep up maintenance also..and not have roads closed because of this or that reason 24/7.

Norway's main trunk roads are in terrible shape and then at a few spots they go nuts wasting money like crazy...just stop it.

Maybe it's time to forget the 50 ppl living in these remote fjords, they can use boats or move to town?
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Old May 19th, 2015, 08:06 PM   #3273
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Umm, E39 is a major route between two of the largest cities in Norway It will cut travel time from 4.5 hours to 2 hours if all projects are completed.
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Old May 19th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #3274
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Bjørnafjord is over 500 meters deep in this area. It is 5 - 6 kilometers wide. This rules out any conventional tunnel or bridge solution. They are exploring several options, including floating bridges and floating tunnels.
They could build a massive pendulum. If the height were 3000 meters over the sea level, the amplitude would be about 57 degree, and altitude of the car terminal level would be 1300 meters over sea only.

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Old May 20th, 2015, 06:46 PM   #3275
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If the cargo crosses the border, it is not any more internal traffic to Norway but international cargo subject to zillions of regulations. The cargo may be originated in a third country, too, such as Russia. That is why it is easiest to go by the book.
I know the law, I was thinking about common sense. I know we shouldn't do so when dealing with authorities...
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Old May 21st, 2015, 01:00 AM   #3276
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They could build a massive pendulum. If the height were 3000 meters over the sea level, the amplitude would be about 57 degree, and altitude of the car terminal level would be 1300 meters over sea only.
Hillarious. But it would have been an interesting ride. Ignoring any friction, the maximum speed would be more than 550 km/h right above the waves according to my rather rough estimate ....
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Old May 21st, 2015, 01:17 AM   #3277
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Why not a tunnel with spiral access on both sides?
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Old May 21st, 2015, 10:20 AM   #3278
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Why not a tunnel with spiral access on both sides?
I do not believe the tunnel construction, and the access roads are the key issues. Making the ventilation might be the challenge. If the ascent were 6 per cent, and the needed depth 700 meters, the length of the access roads would be almost 12 kilometers each. That would make the total length of the tunnel to be about 30 kilometers.

How about the groundbreaking concept of a moving floating bridge? Let us not to build a bridge of 5-6 kilometers, but a number of shorter ones, say 100 meters each. They could be equipped with engines and propellers to make them moving from one port to another.
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Old May 21st, 2015, 01:50 PM   #3279
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I love the idea of a floating tunnel - are there any others?
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Old May 21st, 2015, 02:38 PM   #3280
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Why not a tunnel with spiral access on both sides?
They are planning a motorway standard tunnel. I don't think spiral tunnels work well with that. There are some spiral tunnels in Norway though. The coolest is in Drammen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drammen_Spiral
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