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Old September 16th, 2015, 02:24 PM   #3421
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At least they are building the road as 2+2. Bus lanes can always be removed or restricted (i.e. bus lanes during peak hours only which is commonplace in the UK).
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Old September 19th, 2015, 09:31 PM   #3422
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The Wall Street Journal published an article about the electric car incentives in Norway. They turn out to be financially unsustainable. A quoted example is the Finnøy Tunnel near Stavanger, where 25% of traffic do not pay tolls because the electric cars are exempt.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/electric...nch-1442601936
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Old September 19th, 2015, 09:43 PM   #3423
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The Wall Street Journal published an article about the electric car incentives in Norway. They turn out to be financially unsustainable. A quoted example is the Finnøy Tunnel near Stavanger, where 25% of traffic do not pay tolls because the electric cars are exempt.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/electric...nch-1442601936
This is rather logical. A car is a heavily taxed cash cow in many countries. Small groups of special vehicles may be exempt from taxes. If the popularity of those groups grow, the tax system leaks, and all gaps will be closed sooner or later.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 02:18 PM   #3424
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Old September 24th, 2015, 08:44 PM   #3425
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How many toll roads still have manual toll collection, apart from Svinesund Bridge?
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Old September 24th, 2015, 09:46 PM   #3426
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According to Statens Vegvesen Atlanterhavstunnelen between Kristiansund and Averøy is the only toll road that only has manual payment. Reason is that the toll is set up in the same way as the old ferry. Paying one price for the car and driver. And then a separate sum for each passenger.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #3427
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not counting private toll roads, of course.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 04:55 PM   #3428
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 11:07 PM   #3429
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The Wall Street Journal published an article about the electric car incentives in Norway. They turn out to be financially unsustainable. A quoted example is the Finnøy Tunnel near Stavanger, where 25% of traffic do not pay tolls because the electric cars are exempt.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/electric...nch-1442601936
The Atlantic Road Tunnel between Kristiansund and Averøy has an even higher percentage of electric cars, from where my brother in law lives on the Kritiansund side you can see the cars coming out the portal, at least 50% or more are electric and therefore toll exempt. I think almost every household on Averøy has an electric car, my brother in law on the Averøy side does and so do all his neighbours.
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 11:10 PM   #3430
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According to Statens Vegvesen Atlanterhavstunnelen between Kristiansund and Averøy is the only toll road that only has manual payment. Reason is that the toll is set up in the same way as the old ferry. Paying one price for the car and driver. And then a separate sum for each passenger.
It's bloody stupid and should be automated. However I suspect its the only way the tunnel gets any revenue, tolling the passangers of all the electric cars which use the tunnel.
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Old October 7th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #3431
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The budget for next year: 31,5mrd to roads, 21,3 for rail

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Old October 8th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #3432
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The budget for next year: 31,5mrd to roads, 21,3 for rail

So roughly €3.4bn of the budget allocated to roads. Quite impressive!
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Old October 8th, 2015, 03:48 PM   #3433
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Indeed, in the Netherlands, the provincial + national road budget is about € 3 billion, on a population of nearly 17 million.

Though you do typically see the large investment in rail. It gets around 35% of budget, but carries less than 5% of passenger kilometers in Norway.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 04:03 PM   #3434
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Indeed, in the Netherlands, the provincial + national road budget is about € 3 billion, on a population of nearly 17 million.
About one third goes to maintenance. Due to the winter conditions, it is much more expensive in Norway than in the Netherlands. Anyway, Norway and the Netherlands are barely comparable.

But the Norwegian figures include the national roads only, I believe. There is more money somewhere to manage the regional roads.
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Old October 9th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #3435
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Interesting that so much is spent on rail. Significant towns like Ålesund, Haugesund, Tromsø lack rail.
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Old October 9th, 2015, 03:08 PM   #3436
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It's fairly common in western Europe for rail to consume a far larger share of the infrastructure budget than it carries passenger kilometers.

For example in Germany the annual expenditure on federal railroads is € 10.5 billion compared to € 7.2 billion on federal roads, while federal roads in fact carry almost 4 times more passenger kilometers than federal railroads.
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Old October 9th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #3437
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In Norway it's a lot about catching up to invedtments, plus it's a political factor that new traffic growth should be by public transport walk and bike. Most of the railroad budgets is to make capacity where there is none, pluss developing dual-tracked lines, where Norway has the lowest share in Europe.

By the way, this comparion would make even less sense if we compare budgets for cars/cargo trucks to budgets of bike and pedestrian roads. That's skewed shares for you!
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Old October 9th, 2015, 09:52 PM   #3438
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It's fairly common in western Europe for rail to consume a far larger share of the infrastructure budget than it carries passenger kilometers.

For example in Germany the annual expenditure on federal railroads is € 10.5 billion compared to € 7.2 billion on federal roads, while federal roads in fact carry almost 4 times more passenger kilometers than federal railroads.
Maybe because Railways are more expensive to build and to maintain in Europe in general ?
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Old October 9th, 2015, 10:41 PM   #3439
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In Norway it's a lot about catching up to invedtments, plus it's a political factor that new traffic growth should be by public transport walk and bike.
Which is fine is you live in a main population centre, but if you live in one of the more rural locations public transport isn't a viable option.
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Sure. It's a priority just as every investment.
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