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Old February 4th, 2016, 09:58 AM   #3561
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That EU limit must be really strict, since the old E4 stretch through my hometown Umeå (~79 000 inhabitants) and E4 in Örnsköldsvik (~29 000 inhabitants) are over the limit.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 12:16 PM   #3562
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This particular graph on particles in air was showing Oslo compared to typical holiday cities for Norwegians ( so no Persian capital, and Cairo would be off the list today ..). Personally I am convinced that generally the biggest source of pollution in Norwegian residential areas are from wood stoves and oil fired heaters, but almost always the level of pollution is below the EU limit except those few stations right next to heavily trafficated roads. Of course some cold days can be significantly worse than average, but on such days people with respiratory problems tend and should stay mostly inside anyway. (Personally I mostly move within the city by bike, so a ban would not affect me much)
In order to make some conclusions, you need to have a network of stations - some of them have to be in highly polluted areas (so called "urban stations") while some of them have to be in pressumably unpolluted areas (so called "background stations" or "rural stations"). PM10 are only one of the particles that are commonly monitored the other being PM2.5. PM 2.5 are far more dangerous. (Names PM 10 and PM 2.5 mean that particles are larger than 10 or 2.5 micrometres.)

There are also other factors like CO, CO2, SO2, NOx, ozone (very bad in troposphere), various VOCs etc. and natural factors like wind speed and direction, sunshine, thunderstorms, fires...
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Old February 4th, 2016, 04:40 PM   #3563
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The EU limits for PM10 (particles) and NO2 (nitrogen dioxides) are 40 µg/m³ by the way. Oslo is at half that level according to that graph.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 05:47 PM   #3564
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Norwegian cities aren't usually that polluted, but during winter inversion can be a large problem. Most people can handle it in their day to day life, but for old people and asthmatics it's a real problem and lowers their quality of life.

Norway has been criticized by ESA (the EFTA Surveillance Authority) for breaching EEA legislation related to air quality.


Smog over Bergen looks like this:


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Old February 4th, 2016, 06:29 PM   #3565
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The EU limits for PM10 (particles) and NO2 (nitrogen dioxides) are 40 µg/m³ by the way. Oslo is at half that level according to that graph.
The worst problem is NO2, and that's above 40 µg/m³ as a yearly average, and many times higher than that on the worst winter days. The problem has gotten worse in recent years due to the increase in diesel cars.

Some historical data can be found here (in Norwegian):

http://www.luftkvalitet.info/Librari...o_ny.sflb.ashx

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Norway has been criticized by ESA (the EFTA Surveillance Authority) for breaching EEA legislation related to air quality.
Norway was actually convicted in the EFTA court for exceeding the limits and not doing anything about it.

The main problem in my view is that the national government has been sitting on their hands for many years. Diesel cars still have more favorable taxes than petrol cars, and the diesel tax is significantly lower than the petrol tax.

This ban will be very difficult to enforce, but diesel drivers get no sympathy from me. The writing has been on the wall with regards to diesel for a number of years. It should not come as a surprise to anyone.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 04:16 PM   #3566
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This ban will be very difficult to enforce, but diesel drivers get no sympathy from me. The writing has been on the wall with regards to diesel for a number of years. It should not come as a surprise to anyone.
The govt has only recently come out against diesel vehicles (2012?) after encouraging people to buy them for decades, you can't expoect peoples buying habbits to change overneight, especially when diesel is still cheaper at the pump and you can drive a lot further on 1 litre of diesel than you can on 1 litre of petrol.

I own a 2013 A6 2.0TDi and a 2014 A1 1.4 FSi, the A6 is significantly more efficient then the A1, despite being hundreds of KG's heaver, 55hp more powerfull and automatic.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 08:37 PM   #3567
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E6 Oppegård



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Should have done this long time ago! Standard motorway + little bit of paint - voila!
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:13 PM   #3568
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These Google+ (?) photos don't show to me.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:27 PM   #3569
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You have to get the links from quoting the post and watch them in your browser...

In the meantime, I finished the plan of my Norway trip and booked all flights and the car.
  1. Evening flight Munich-Copenhagen
  2. Copenhagen
  3. Copenhagen
  4. Morning flight to Bergen + Bergen
  5. Bergen
  6. Get car - Bergen-Eidfjord-Voringfossen-Flam (maybe also train ride or Borgund)
  7. Flam-Fossbergom-Geiranger (maybe also train ride or Borgund)
  8. Geiranger-Trollstigen-Alesund
  9. Alesund-Atlantic Road-Trondheim - drop off car
  10. Trondheim
  11. Noon flight Trondheim-Tromso
  12. Tromso + Evening flight Tromso-Oslo
  13. Oslo
  14. Oslo
  15. Noon Flight Oslo-Stockholm
  16. Stockholm
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #3570
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Ok, i didn't know that, they are now in photobucket instead.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 05:10 AM   #3571
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What have they done, exactly? Who can use the third lane?
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Old February 12th, 2016, 10:36 PM   #3572
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What have they done, exactly? Who can use the third lane?
It's a temporary bus lane due to the planned rehab of the Bryn tunnel. Lanes are narrower, especially the left lane, so the speed limit is lowered to 80 km/h.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 11:39 PM   #3573
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Is it now? Was 90 when I took the photo. AFAIK there should be 3rd lane / shoulder running permanently since this stretch is very congested in the morning. But only for buses? I think there are few buses on this road. 2+ lane perhaps....
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Old February 13th, 2016, 12:14 AM   #3574
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Is it now? Was 90 when I took the photo. AFAIK there should be 3rd lane / shoulder running permanently since this stretch is very congested in the morning. But only for buses? I think there are few buses on this road. 2+ lane perhaps....
Here's a link to the official info:

http://www.vegvesen.no/vegprosjekter...g-syd-for-oslo
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Old February 13th, 2016, 12:03 PM   #3575
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Yes, which busses uses that stretch? Siggerud/Enebakk + Flybussexpressen?
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Old February 16th, 2016, 12:44 PM   #3576
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http://www.vegvesen.no/vegprosjekter...rtsparkeringer

There are now 400 new parking spaces for commuters at Tusenfryd, with new bus lines going between Tusenfryd and Oslo during rush hour, plus a rush hour line from Vestby (590E).
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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:51 PM   #3577
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A new bridge have collapsed during construction of the new e6 in Sjoa:

http://www.nrk.no/ho/ny-e6-bru-har-kollapsa-1.12808386

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Old February 17th, 2016, 06:56 PM   #3578
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Wow, that seems bad. Was the logging truck overloaded, or could it have been a construction error? As I read it on NRK, the bridge was built specifically to serve a forest (i.e. logging), so you'd think it was designed to carry logging trucks.

Brua skal ha vært kjørbar ei lita stund. Den fører til en privat adkomstvei som går til dyrka mark og skogsområder, forklarer Moshagen.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 07:52 PM   #3579
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They don't know the cause yet, but I doubt the truck was overloaded. It seems to be just half-full with logs and it don't even have a trailer. Surely the bridge must have been designed to be carry more than that?

The construction of the bridge was just finished in September 2015.
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Old February 18th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #3580
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I'm thinking design error. (EDIT: Or manufacturing error.) This has snapped like a match. Here are the drawings to contemplate for yourself:
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