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Old June 19th, 2016, 10:34 PM   #3861
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New "metrobuss" stop on the road between Moss and Son, rather unpractical, no?


They still make em without ped. crossings? What are they doing in Statens Vegvesen all day?
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Old June 19th, 2016, 10:38 PM   #3862
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Seems like there is no path going to the bus stop at all ?

In Trondheim a campaign started by a taxi driver actually managed to stop work to transform some bus stops with pockets into such these jam- makers. There is so much money wasted on stupidity in this country.
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Old June 19th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #3863
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I have two electric cars. I have a cheap Citroën and an expensive Tesla. The Citroën is basicly half the range, half the charge speed and doesn't get properly warm in below -10. I certainly wouldn't go on a longer trip with it during winter. The Tesla meanwhile i would take anywhere anytime just for a joyride.



This road used to be so special, i have taken foreign tourists there as a novelty attraction
Most Norwegians buy a hybrid car. Ever considered a hybrid car?
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Old June 19th, 2016, 11:21 PM   #3864
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But in the minds of the Norse who were the originators of these names, Finns and Sami were the same.
It is good to understand that "a Finn" and "a Finnish-speaking person" are two different things.

The Finnish and Sami languages share the common Finno-Ugric roots, but the languages got separated perhaps 1500-2500 years ago. Thus, nowadays they are clearly two separate languages.

Sami in fact is not a language but a family of languages or dialects. It is more a political than a linguistic question if the variants are languages or dialects. Currently, there are nine variants sharing six different orthographies. The people tend to understand their neighbors. The longer the E-W distance is, the less people understand each other.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 12:35 AM   #3865
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Amazing. The tunnel costed 320 million NOK for a village of 40 people. That is 8 million NOK per person in Jordalen.
https://www.nrk.no/hordaland/endelig...len-1.12946538

Is this a national record in Norway for a road with so much costs per person?
Well... Everything written in the internet is to be treated suspicious.

As the text shows, the reason for building the tunnel were not the 40 people but the plan to build a power plant. Thus, the new road is a side effect.

In the official documents, we can see that 320 million NOK is not the cost of the road but the total cost of the whole project, including the power plant. In the application for a permission to build the power plant, the power company estimated that building a new public road will make an extra cost of about 70 million NOK of the initial total cost estimate of 285 million NOK.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 12:53 AM   #3866
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Historically, quite a few roads have been built in Norway due to hydro power schemes. One example is the Suleskar road (Fv42). The shortest, but not necessarily fastest route Oslo-Stavanger.

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It is good to understand that "a Finn" and "a Finnish-speaking person" are two different things.

The Finnish and Sami languages share the common Finno-Ugric roots, but the languages got separated perhaps 1500-2500 years ago. Thus, nowadays they are clearly two separate languages.

Sami in fact is not a language but a family of languages or dialects. It is more a political than a linguistic question if the variants are languages or dialects. Currently, there are nine variants sharing six different orthographies. The people tend to understand their neighbors. The longer the E-W distance is, the less people understand each other.
It is also quite obvious that the Sami and the (if I may say so) modern Finns have very different ethnic background, what they share is, in the European context at least, a rather rare language family. With regards to the Sami language, there are of course not only wide E-W variations, but also N-S. Remember that there are Sami as far south as Trollheimen /Røros/ Elgå, the latter being 300 km south of Trondheim by car, and 1500 km as the crow flies from the Sami north - eastern limit at the Kola Peninsula. Even between Sami settlements in Norway the distance by car easily become 1700 km, via Sweden and Finland. Historically, it was of course the far longer distance by boat that mattered. No wonder that the languages diverged somewhat.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 01:29 AM   #3867
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Well, yeah i had a Prius since 07

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They still make em without ped. crossings? What are they doing in Statens Vegvesen all day?
Aadt here is actually 6000....
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Old June 20th, 2016, 04:32 AM   #3868
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One can argue, however, that Norway's road safety is unusual in that it's derived from the fact that the roads are relatively inconvenient to use, relative to the airlines for passengers and sealanes for freight, and so they are not the country's transportation trunk.

From this it follows that road improvements that create more traffic would result in a regression towards the global (or at least Scandinavian) mean for Norwegian road safety ... simply because more traffic = more accidents, and more traffic on the motorways = more last-mile traffic = more accidents.

This puts Norway in rather a strange spot, does it not?
I don't know if your interpretation is correct or not, but it makes the safety argument in favour of highways and cars in general extremely poor.

Given how obsessed and cost-insensitive society is to safety measures against phenomenon like terrorism, not facilitating more private vehicle traffic seems like a fantastic safety measure guaranteeing tens of lives saved each year.
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All recent motorway openings in Norway have lead to a dramatic decrease in the absolute number of accidents, regardless of any additional traffic growth.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 11:04 AM   #3870
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Historically, quite a few roads have been built in Norway due to hydro power schemes.
Statoil built the Melkøysund Tunnel near Hammerfest to an LNG installation. It's a 2316 meter undersea tunnel, it goes 62 meters below sea level. It is a private road.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=7...0.6878/23.6244
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Old June 20th, 2016, 11:05 AM   #3871
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Regardless, more motorways and other divided highways would undoubtedly reduce fatality numbers further.
Good point. Motorways are designed for safer high-speed operation and have lower levels of injury per vehicle km than other roads; for example, in 2013, the German motorway fatality rate of 1.9 deaths per billion-travel-kilometers compared favorably with the 6.6 rate on rural roads. http://www.bast.de/EN/Publications/M...ublicationFile
That means that motorways have a safety level of 347% better than non-motorway roads for travelling between the biggest cities. Since Norway has not any motorway between a big city, the safety can be improved dramatically by constructing motorways between the biggest cities. It cannot be denied that several people died in 2016 again on 1x2 roads between cities that are a motorway in other European countries. They could be alive with the better safety on motorways.

Deadly accident by frontal collision on 1x2 road E39 near Stavanger

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Old June 20th, 2016, 11:14 AM   #3872
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The replacement span of the Skjeggestad Bridge (E18) near Holmestrand opens on 4 July.

The southbound span was affected by a landslide that cause the bridge to nearly collapse and beyond repair. Replacement of the 229 meter long bridge started in November 2015, so it was completed in only 8 months! (Did you read that Germany, not 6 years! )

http://www.bygg.no/article/1279781

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it was completed in only 8 months! (Did you read that Germany, not 6 years! )
Motorway bridge construction is more than only short delivery, it is also about preventing disasters such as here. For a review about bridge construction in Germany and Norway see the following post:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=8724
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All recent motorway openings in Norway have lead to a dramatic decrease in the absolute number of accidents, regardless of any additional traffic growth.
One can implement safety measures without dramatically encouraging more use of and build society around the least safe transportation method.
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The 'least safe transportation method' is walking, cycling and motorcycling.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #3876
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Motorcycling is motorized, private vehicle traffic. Walking is unsafe because of motorized, private vehicle traffic.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #3877
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In very few cases walking vs driving is a realistic prospect anywhere in Europe. These are not in competition with each other in lower density area outside town limits.
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One can implement safety measures without dramatically encouraging more use of and build society around the least safe transportation method.
Yes, one can do. But about what kind of society are we talking? We are here in democratic Europe, where people have a direct choice about the governance of society, isn't it? When you ask people about their favorite transport they will answer........ a car.
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And even within cities, the competition is generally not walking, but pt (which has little flexibility and hence slow on short distances) and bicycle (which is competitive on shorter distances, but more dangerous). Myself think the health benefits for cycling outweighs the dangers. I am hence a die-hard urban cyclist, and think conditions for us could be improved greatly, but cycling does not suits all needs. In the relative near future, when automated electric cars will be the norm, there is no motorized transportation (except El. bikes) that will be more environmentally friendly, and auto travel will also be very safe. Eg trains actually use more energy per person. We might just start to prepare now.
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Old June 20th, 2016, 07:11 PM   #3880
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Public transport is great if you work in the city centre. If not, not so much.
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