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Old June 28th, 2016, 03:34 PM   #3961
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I think Suburbanist intended to write E6 instead of E16. E6 crosses a fjord with a ferry between Bodo and Narvik.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 08:48 PM   #3962
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Sorry, I meant E6, that was a typo.

There is a fjord crossing, and also two long detours around fjords further north.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 10:52 PM   #3963
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- A tunnel project from Skåre to Breidalen will compete with Lærdalstunnelen and will remove the winter problem of having to cross Strynefjellet. That is ambitious.
Thanks for the tunnel update. It is ambitious, but good for Norway.


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- But what in the world are tourists supposed to do in Geiranger in winter ???


Christmas time is a wonderful time of the year and one of the busiest times for tourism. Geiranger hotels are already sold out for 2017. Do you know a Norwegian myth says that the home of the Devil is near Geiranger fjord? It is in a hole where no light can enter? Why not visiting Geiranger in winter to get the ultimate experience? There is a church in Geiranger to get the true Christmas message.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 11:36 PM   #3964
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Fylkesvei 55, Sognefjellet, part II

Part II of the drive across Sognefjellet. It's surrounded by mountains in the 2000+ meter range. Very scenic.


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Old June 28th, 2016, 11:53 PM   #3965
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Sorry, I meant E6, that was a typo.

There is a fjord crossing, and also two long detours around fjords further north.
The Bognes-Skarberget ferry will survive for decades. The fjord is deep (600+meters) and wide (3000+ meters) and the AADT is low, 800.

There has been activities to find alternatives. All of them are about long tunnels and bridges crossing a deserted area in the middle of nothing. It would be a job to create a business case to support building a ferry-free route.

The fastest routes between the southern and northern Norway go via Sweden and Finland.

There is one additional aspect to consider: The proposed alternatives are located in the area where Norway is narrowest: a few kilometers. The defense forces may want to keep the masses of people away,
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:26 AM   #3966
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The Bognes-Skarberget ferry will survive for decades. The fjord is deep (600+meters) and wide (3000+ meters) and the AADT is low, 800.

There has been activities to find alternatives. All of them are about long tunnels and bridges crossing a deserted area in the middle of nothing. It would be a job to create a business case to support building a ferry-free route.

The fastest routes between the southern and northern Norway go via Sweden and Finland.

There is one additional aspect to consider: The proposed alternatives are located in the area where Norway is narrowest: a few kilometers. The defense forces may want to keep the masses of people away,
A key problem is that the biggest population centers out there are way out there in the islands/peninsulas, instead of on the mainland. Bødo, Trømso, Hammerfest are all located outside the core strip of land, so the half fish-bone pattern of roads end up making distances longer.

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As for the narrow territory, it is not like Sweden is some sort of menacing power, are they?

I read somewhere foreigners are strongly discouraged to travel out in the woods south or east of Kirkenes, for risks of accidentally crossing the Russian border and creating some sort of incident... not sure if truth or not.
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I read somewhere foreigners are strongly discouraged to travel out in the woods south or east of Kirkenes, for risks of accidentally crossing the Russian border and creating some sort of incident... not sure if truth or not.
I believe that's because there are still undetonated munitions left in those woods. From WWII and the cold war.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 02:01 AM   #3968
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A key problem is that the biggest population centers out there are way out there in the islands/peninsulas, instead of on the mainland. Bødo, Trømso, Hammerfest are all located outside the core strip of land, so the half fish-bone pattern of roads end up making distances longer.

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I read somewhere foreigners are strongly discouraged to travel out in the woods south or east of Kirkenes, for risks of accidentally crossing the Russian border and creating some sort of incident... not sure if truth or not.
The only problem I can think it's smuggling. Norway isn't in EU while Sweden is, so freight between the two countries has to pass through custom controls.
As for the Norwegian-Russian border, it's not strictly controlled as the Finnish-Russian border (that is entirely fenced and you need permits also to approach it, not only to cross it), so it's used by some asylum seekers to enter Schengen area illegally.
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NRK reports that they are going to spend more money to clear overgrown bushes and trees along fjords to preserve the views. In many cases, overgrown bushes blocks more and more of the view on the landscape, which is detrimental to tourism. We've discussed this issue recently in this thread.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:34 PM   #3970
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The only problem I can think it's smuggling. Norway isn't in EU while Sweden is, so freight between the two countries has to pass through custom controls.
As for the Norwegian-Russian border, it's not strictly controlled as the Finnish-Russian border (that is entirely fenced and you need permits also to approach it, not only to cross it), so it's used by some asylum seekers to enter Schengen area illegally.
Norway is a member of EFTA, the EEA, and the Schengen-area. Smuggling isn't the issue. The issue is sovereignty; Norway is a member of NATO, Sweden isn't. Norway wouldn't look as thrustworthy if our defence relied on a non-NATO country.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #3971
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As for the narrow territory, it is not like Sweden is some sort of menacing power, are they?
Norwegians remember from the WWII that the threat does not necessarily come from the east.

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Old June 30th, 2016, 12:50 AM   #3972
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As for the Norwegian-Russian border, it's not strictly controlled as the Finnish-Russian border (that is entirely fenced and you need permits also to approach it, not only to cross it), so it's used by some asylum seekers to enter Schengen area illegally.
Well - no, it's not fenced on the Norwegian side, but it is on the "border zone" a 20 km inside russian territory. There is also a second checkpoint on the road even further inside Russia. So as the Fsb has a good control on what happends, since the distance from anywhere to this border is so massive it would take a lot of effort to get there without being noticed. What the deal was with the bike refugees - were being let trough untill Norway made a deal with Russia about it. On the Norwegian side there are some information signs everywhere and the border is marked by "border street" with the rather easy to spot yellow+red poles so it's still easy to see the border-line if you are in the forrest.
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E6 Leirfjord Bridge

The plans for the E6 upgrade north of Fauske in Nordland have been published. It includes a large suspension bridge across the Leirfjord.

The bridge has a main span of 760 meters, which by the time of opening, would be the 4th or 5th longest in Norway (depending on the Julsund Bridge opening).

Construction could start by 2018.

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E39 Rogfast

The Rogfast project, also known as the Boknafjord Tunnel entails the construction of a 26,570 meter long undersea tunnel north of Stavanger. It's by far the largest road tunneling project in Europe ever, even dwarfing the Stockholm Bypass and Femern Belt Tunnel, not to mention the Gotthard or Gran Sasso Tunnels.

Rogfast will create a fixed link across the Boknafjord and a spiral side tunnel to the island of Kvitsøy. It will be a motorway with a 110 km/h speed limit. The tunnel goes 392 meters below sea level, so will both be the longest and deepest road tunnel in the world.

A map and vertical profile (bottom):


The tube has a T10.5 profile, meaning a full standard motorway tube. The speed limit will be 110 km/h.


The tunnel will be built with 3 major tunnel contracts, which will be built similtaneously. Contract north, south and Kvitsøy. This graph below shows the construction schedule (40 meters per week).
The red lines indicate the blasting process. The tunnel will be dug from 3 locations, the center red line indicate the central segment from Kvitsøy, which later branches into both directions, eventually connecting with north and south.

As you can see, construction is planned to start early 2017 and blasting continuing into mid-2021. Road, roof and wall projects (blue, yellow, green) will start in late 2019 and follow the tunnel progress. The tunnel installations (gray) will be done after that, ending in 2023.


South tunnel portal (Harstadtkryss)


Kvitsøy tunnel portal. The tunnel to Kvitsøy is a spiral tunnel, it has to gain nearly 300 meters in altitude.


The scheme for the underground diamond interchange to Kvitsøy. It will be located approximately 280 meters below sea level.


Vertical profile of Kvitsøy, showing the spiral tunnel and ventilation channels.


Needless to say, this is a huge and groundbreaking project.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #3975
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IMOH, they should have blasted a giant hall at the intersection, creating a fake "outdoor" environment (with "sunlight" and all) and a regular intersection with bridge and so on, including a rest area for tourists. Maybe a restaurant?

Expensive? Sure. Safe with a rest area? Not necessarily. Ridiculous? Yes! Feasible? NO!
Which is why it should have been done.
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For the record i think it is rather spectacular that the speed limit will be 110. For comparison if you drive trough Luxembourg - there you are going 130+ and suddenly it drops to freaking 90 for a 100m long tunnel. Atleast we're not afraid of tunnels - but makes it hard to justify the 110/100/90 variations elsewhere on the network, no?

Edit: Oh, and isn't the Oslofjordtunnel still being planned for 70 limit even when it's twinned?
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For the record i think it is rather spectacular that the speed limit will be 110. For comparison if you drive trough Luxembourg - there you are going 130+ and suddenly it drops to freaking 90 for a 100m long tunnel. Atleast we're not afraid of tunnels - but makes it hard to justify the 110/100/90 variations elsewhere on the network, no?

Edit: Oh, and isn't the Oslofjordtunnel still being planned for 70 limit even when it's twinned?
Italian motorway tunnels have 130kph speed limit (like the rest of the motorway), unless a lower speed limit is signposted.

The Rogfast project is extremely impressive. I wonder if it will be the first underwater interchange ever built in the world. Interchanges within tunnels are rare but there are a few around (Norra Lanken in Stockholm, SS36 in Lecco, Italy and few others), but I'm not aware of any underwater junction.
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Edit: Oh, and isn't the Oslofjordtunnel still being planned for 70 limit even when it's twinned?
Isn't this because of its ridiculous inclines of 7%? It should never have been built.
I think a bridge or floating tunnel is a better option.
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The Leirfjord bridge in it's landscape:

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E16 Valdres

A 735 million NOK / € 79 million contract has been signed with Skanska to reconstruct an 11.1 kilometer segment of E16 in the Valdres area, between Bagn and Bjørgo. The project includes a 4.3 kilometer tunnel near Bagn.

http://www.vegvesen.no/om+statens+ve...gn-bj%C3%B8rgo

Also, the collapsed Skjeggestad Bridge on E18 near Holmestrand reopened to traffic today after 9 months of construction. It opened with one lane today to handle holiday traffic, 2 lanes will be open by Monday.

http://www.vegvesen.no/Europaveg/e18...kjeggestad-bru
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