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Old July 25th, 2016, 12:16 PM   #4081
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A study on road speed of April 2016, shows that Norway has lost ground to other countries compared with 2009, despite a greater pressure on road construction, and despite billion sums poured into Norwegian transport. Measurements were with GPS systems of TomTom and Google by comparing average rate on Euro-sections for a total of 17 countries:

Portugal 117.9 km / h
Germany 114.2 km / h
Croatia: 112.3 km / h
France: 112.3 km / h
Spain 111.7 km / h
Italy 105.6 km / h
Austria: 102.8 km / h
Denmark: 102.4 km / h
UK: 101.9 km / h
Sweden: 99.8 km / h
Hungary: 99 km / h
Poland: 97.9 km / h
Switzerland: 93.9 km / h
Finland: 89.4 km / h
Ireland: 88,0 km / h
Norway: 70.3 km / h
Albania: 56.5 km / h

http://www.aftenposten.no/norge/Nors...pa-54735b.html
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Old July 25th, 2016, 12:34 PM   #4082
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We are not only (almost) at the bottom of the list, the main problem is the huge gap to the country above us. To improve this standing, and hence the competitiveness of Norway, it is very important to continue to increase the highway funding, but also to make the right priorities to get most out of the money. Throwing all the money in a certain single relatively light trafficated project won't make much difference, though.
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As soon as the incentives are removed the market in Norway for electric vehicle will tank. It's what Tesla is afraid of, nobody is going to pay 1 million plus NOK for a Model S and more for an X when they can have a decent German executive vehicle for 700,000. I would not pay 500,000 NOK for Leaf or i3 either, better cars can be had for less. The public should not have to subsidise electric vehicles, they use the same roads and should have to pay for them.

I believe electric vehicles are an automotive dead end, like the steam cars of early last century, they will be replaced by better technology. IMO hydrogen will eventually win out, simply because a 5 minute refill is much more palatable to the average motorist than the 60 minutes it takes to part charge a Tesla and significantly longer for other makes.

If you've ever seen the tesla supercharger stations at Dombas and Lilliehamar you'll understand why I think it's a sidetrack, it might take 60 minutes to part charge a Tesla but you could be waiting several hours to get to a charger.

I believe hydrogen could have a future in aviation and perhaps shipping. Otherwise, the value chain energy efficiency is far too low, without any prospects for major improvements. Clearly, the prices of electric vehicles are dropping and will drop sharply ahead. Charging times and battery technology also improve all the time. When Model 3 is rolled out, I nevertheless hope that Tesla (or others) will revisit the business models for battery swap, which would eliminate the need for charging delay in long distance travel.

(I'm driving a dirty diesel myself BTW for now)
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The area is actually quite popular for cross country skiing in June among professionals and enthusiasts. Later in the summer skiing takes place on glaciers only

Petter and Thomas Northug summer skiing at Sognefjellet.
Funny, I only now checked out Chris' video, and a truck of the national Norwegian cross country ski team is clearly visible on 3:16!
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Old July 25th, 2016, 01:03 PM   #4083
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We are not only (almost) at the bottom of the list, the main problem is the huge gap to the country above us. To improve this standing, and hence the competitiveness of Norway, it is very important to continue to increase the highway funding, but also to make the right priorities to get most out of the money.
Yes, it will be good for Norway's economy to invest more in road infrastructure that facilitates national growth.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #4084
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If you've ever seen the tesla supercharger stations at Dombas and Lilliehamar you'll understand why I think it's a sidetrack, it might take 60 minutes to part charge a Tesla but you could be waiting several hours to get to a charger.
This is a significant problem when electric vehicles become really wide-spread. The charging time could be 10 times longer than the average refueling stop, which requires much larger facilities than the present-day fuel stations.

Other problems arise with charging in urban settings, such as owners leaving the vehicle parked overnight on a charging spot.

Another - perhaps bigger problem - is the financial sustainability of electric vehicles. The government incentives are so generous it cannot be sustained if a large proportion of cars are electric. So they will either have to raise taxes or introduce new ones to make up for lost revenue. There are already some tunnels in financial problems because a large share of vehicles are electric and exempt from tolls.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 06:02 PM   #4085
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To my understanding, starting 2017, electric vehicles will gradually lose their financial advantage. Initially there will be some toll stations and toll rings with a 50% price cut for EVs, then parking will no longer be free and in the end the VAT will increase to 25% and an annual fee will be introduced (as EVs also wear on the roads).
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Old July 26th, 2016, 10:37 AM   #4086
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Research for E39 motorway Bjørnafjord bridge

The Bjørnafjord bridge between Os and Tysnes is part of the Hordfast project to complete the missing link of motorway E39 Bergen-Haugesund. Because of the depths of up to 550 m and length of 5 km, a normal bridge is not possible. The proposal is to construct the world’s first suspension bridge on floating foundations with a length of 5 km. The decision to approve Hordfast will be taken after this summer.



New technology and research is needed. National Road Administration is in full swing to see the geology and technical aspects in relation to the Bjørnafjord bridge. The research will show how the bridge can be realized. This knowledge will also be useful when other bridges over several fjords between E39 Bergen - Trondheim will be constructed.
In January 2016, five specially produced buoys from New Zealand were put between Os and Tysnes. In one heavy storm, one of them was damaged.



In 2016 research was done for the Bjørnafjord bridge with two ships, one of them is the Geosund. It is a multipurpose vessel designed for offshore operations. The vessel is equipped to meet the challenges of the deep water systems. http://www.midtsiden.no/pa-oppdrag-vegvesenet



The results on wind and wave range will be an input to the choice of concept how the bridge over Bjørnafjord will be constructed. In addition to the measurements in the fjord, there are two new 45 meter tall masts on land. These should target wind parallel to the target rob the fjord.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 01:42 PM   #4087
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A study on road speed of April 2016, shows that Norway has lost ground to other countries compared with 2009, despite a greater pressure on road construction, and despite billion sums poured into Norwegian transport. Measurements were with GPS systems of TomTom and Google by comparing average rate on Euro-sections for a total of 17 countries:

Portugal 117.9 km / h
Germany 114.2 km / h
Croatia: 112.3 km / h
France: 112.3 km / h
Spain 111.7 km / h
Italy 105.6 km / h
Austria: 102.8 km / h
Denmark: 102.4 km / h
UK: 101.9 km / h
Sweden: 99.8 km / h
Hungary: 99 km / h
Poland: 97.9 km / h
Switzerland: 93.9 km / h
Finland: 89.4 km / h
Ireland: 88,0 km / h
Norway: 70.3 km / h
Albania: 56.5 km / h

http://www.aftenposten.no/norge/Nors...pa-54735b.html
Not surprising to see Croatia up near the top, they have one of the finest motorway networks in Europe, if not the world. I love driving in Croatia, if only everywhere else in Europe and Norway in particular was as good.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 03:13 PM   #4088
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Not surprising to see Croatia up near the top, they have one of the finest motorway networks in Europe, if not the world. I love driving in Croatia, if only everywhere else in Europe and Norway in particular was as good.
True. Croatia is impressive. It is not a flat country, has a lot of rocks and is not a rich country.

Last report was from 2008. http://www.tu.no/artikler/norge-er-e...kkjumbo/321493

Impressive is also Portugal. Note that Portugal improved from 98.8 km / h in 2008 to 117.9 km / h in 2016 (+19.1), while Norway only went from 68.2 km / h to 70.3 km / h (+2.1).

Fast connections with motorways are not just good that they are sexy, good for car-lobby or car-industry but necessary for economic competence. It was good that people of the government compared Norway with Austria and Switzerland, who have also mountains and some wealth. Let’s hope we will see soon some concrete action points to improve in Norway!
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Old July 26th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #4089
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According to Wikipedia, the population density in Croatia is 75.8/sqm, compared to Norway's 15.5/sqm. The country vs country comparisons here don't really work, that's what your statistics say. Or else Portugal would be indefinitely more prosperous than Norway, which I don't think it is. There are also other means of infrastructure that have been and can be prioritized for the inland economy, including transport on sea, internet speeds, public services, access of competent workforce etc etc.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 05:19 PM   #4090
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Research for E39 motorway Bjørnafjord bridge

The Bjørnafjord bridge between Os and Tysnes is part of the Hordfast project to complete the missing link of motorway E39 Bergen-Haugesund. Because of the depths of up to 550 m and length of 5 km, a normal bridge is not possible. The proposal is to construct the world’s first suspension bridge on floating foundations with a length of 5 km. The decision to approve Hordfast will be taken after this summer.
With a price of 43 billion for the Hordfast project, and an isolated increase of NOK 5.5 billion for the giga bridge, it raises doubt how to manage further cost explosions. From 19 to 43 billion in only four years. How many km of motorway can be built for 43 billion? Is it right to apply next generation extreme maintenance costs of such a bridge? There are more doubts: risks for destruction of the bridge by storm, protection structures for bridge pylons will be a blockade for ships and environment issues.
Some stakeholders are willing to postpone this giga bridge to save money. They suggested a temporary ferry. However, temporary quickly becomes permanent, answering critics.
Chosen has been option D (yellow). There are also cheaper and less risky alternatives, such K or J (darkblue):

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Old July 27th, 2016, 09:38 AM   #4091
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There are also other means of infrastructure that have been and can be prioritized for the inland economy, including transport on sea, internet speeds, public services, access of competent workforce etc etc.
On the other hand I don't know what it's like where you live but in my semi rural part of Norway the local kommune are building cycle paths all over the place, what they are not doing which would be sensible is upgrade the single lane roads to dual carriage and build the cycle lanes at the same time, traffic is increasing, the roads are not keeping up with it.

Building the cycle lanes and putting street lighting between the cycle lane and the single lane road now makes any improvements to the road significanlty more expensive in the future. IMO with developments like this it's no wonder average speeds aren't going up in Norway.
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A rockslide has blocked and damaged E16 between Voss and Gudvangen. It occurred in Nærøydalen, east of Stalheim.

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Riksvei 15

A couple of photos of Riksvei 15 from Otta to Lom.

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Rv 15-1 by European Roads, on Flickr

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Rv 15-2 by European Roads, on Flickr

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According to Wikipedia, the population density in Croatia is 75.8/sqm, compared to Norway's 15.5/sqm. The country vs country comparisons here don't really work, that's what your statistics say. Or else Portugal would be indefinitely more prosperous than Norway, which I don't think it is. There are also other means of infrastructure that have been and can be prioritized for the inland economy, including transport on sea, internet speeds, public services, access of competent workforce etc etc.
There are of course a range of factors that determine the wealth of a country, but there is no doubt that an insufficient transport infrastructure has a high cost. There is no coincidence that the infrastructure of most affluent countries of the world is excellent. Norway has been privileged so far in that we have relied on industries which has relied mostly on ship transport and pipelines, but this most likely will be less pronounced ahead.

The argument /excuse about population density is wrong in so many ways. First of all, long distances /low population density makes good infrastructure even more important. Neither is it necessarily more difficult to construct an efficient network with low population density. Eg areal conflicts and costs typically are less of a problem, and there will also be less capacity problems. Indeed, there are many examples in the world of countries with sparse population but much faster roads than Norway, such as Canada, central US states (eg Montana) , rural Australia. You can also have a look at our own country. Some of the slowest main roads of our country is in areas with relatively high population density (Oslo and central Trøndelag are tempting examples). Finnmark has very fast roads in comparison.

Although I do think low population density should not be used as an argument for slow roads, I would in addition mention that this number given is not very representative for Norway, IMO. The northern 3 1/2 counties have a very low population density, so only by leaving them out, the population density increases by more than 50 %. More importantly, almost all the people of Norway live along narrow corridors along the coast and a few valleys, which is very different most European countries.
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Norway has been privileged so far in that we have relied on industries which has relied mostly on ship transport and pipelines, but this most likely will be less pronounced ahead.
Yes, Norway’s export consists for 63.4% in value of oil and gas. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/nor/
You only need ships and pipelines for it. A few decades oil and gas are over. Biggest other export products are Salmon 3.3 %, Non-filet fesh fish 3.3%, Fish fillet 1.6%, Machinery 3%, Chemicals 2% and Aluminium 2.1%.
For many products and tourism you need fast, competive and reliable roads.

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The northern 3 1/2 counties have a very low population density, so only by leaving them out, the population density increases by more than 50 %. More importantly, almost all the people of Norway live along narrow corridors along the coast and a few valleys, which is very different most European countries.
Yes, see map below:



The dense populated areas need good road infrastructure and fast and reliable intercity roads like in similar other areas worldwide.
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A rockslide has blocked and damaged E16 between Voss and Gudvangen. It occurred in Nærøydalen, east of Stalheim.

Road traffic control center informs this morning that the road is closed indefinitely. Scraping of the slide area will take place throughout the day. A few salmon fishermen in the river where very lucky that they survived when stones rained down around them.
http://www.ba.no/nyheter/ras/voss/st...n/s/5-8-396649

It is recommended to travel via Haukeli (E134) or Vikafjellet (Rv13) when you want to go between East and West.
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A rockslide has blocked and damaged E16 between Voss and Gudvangen. It occurred in Nærøydalen, east of Stalheim.

Drove there over a week ago...
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Drove there over a week ago...
You are really protected. Geologist has approved cleaning work on E16 in Nærøy Valley by stone landslide Tuesday. Restarting clearing today E16 in Nærøy Valley. Look at the impressive stones.



After the removal of rocks the road looks really bad and need structural reparation before it can be opened.



NPRA expects re-opening will be no earlier than Saturday. E16 is one of the most popular roads from Bergen to Oslo.
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I did a four-day road trip this week. My main idea was to see places I hadn't visited, and drive interesting roads I hadn't driven. I think I succeeded:

Day 1: Oslo-Røldal-Sauda.
Day 2: Sauda-Sand-Suldal-Røldal-Odda-Ulvik-Voss-Dale-Modalen-Oppedal-Lavik.
Day 3: Lavik-Gaularfjell-Sogndal-Lærdal-Hemsedal
Day 4: Hemsedal-Gol-Bagn-Dokka-Brandbu-Oslo.

I'll get into more details later, perhaps even see if I finally can figure out how to post pictures... In short, I think I was able to cover much of what southern Norway has to offer, also in terms of roads: I've driven motorways, expressways, quality, decent and substandard 2-lane roads, roads too narrow for two HGWs to pass, and proper single-lane roads. Quite a drive, actually...
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The first cables of the Hålogaland suspension bridge north of Narvik are now spanning the fjord. The next phase is to construct a catwalk.

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