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Old September 12th, 2016, 11:04 AM   #4341
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Since I am in Narvik at the moment visiting family we drove to shop at the Swedish border. I snapped some photos of Hålogalandsbrua.

Here's the album: imgur.com/a/d0kCX
Thanks for your sharp and clear photos. They are better than the recent photos of Statens Vegvesen with fog:



We can see that with Hålogaland bridge of E6 and E10 near Narvik, the first of two cables is making progress. See artist impression of the completed bridge.


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Old September 12th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #4342
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https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/ap-vil-...eim-1.13130787

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Old September 13th, 2016, 10:38 AM   #4343
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It is of course wishful thinking, but it is possible that the discussion will go to a “Plan B”, a lower budget solution with less risks. That is the selection of a cheaper alternative than the expensive chosen one. NPRA did already a study in 2007 for a Eastern motorway Bergen-Haugesund, called option K5B.


Indeed, such a thing may be possible. The idea to launch a combined section for E39 Bergen-Haugesund (pink on the map) and Bergen Arm to E134 (red on the map) has been launched in 2007 by NPRA. It avoids passing the deep part of Bjørnefjorden by much shorter bridges in the East via Eikelandsosen. But later, Bergen wanted to have a faster connection with a 110 km/h motorway to Haugesund and now we are waiting for the approval of an expensive bridge or tunnel over Bjørnefjorden with a lot of new technology. The original NPRA plan of 2007 with the Eastern bridges and a combined section with the Bergen Arm costs 10.4 billion, more than 33 billion cheaper than the proposed option now. In contrast to the present solution, the original plan will be a commercial success with low risks.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #4344
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The new flyovers at the E6-E16 interchange at Oslo-Gardermoen Airport open to traffic this week. They built new direct connectors to and from the north, making this a directional T-interchange. And perhaps the best-designed interchange in all of Norway.

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Old September 14th, 2016, 11:43 AM   #4345
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Indeed, such a thing may be possible. The idea to launch a combined section for E39 Bergen-Haugesund (pink on the map) and Bergen Arm to E134 (red on the map) has been launched in 2007 by NPRA.


This optional had been cancelled after the high cost estimates of the motorway tunnels in Fusa. Then the even more expensive motorway bridge over Bjørnafjord (then estimated at 19 billion, now 43 billion) wasn’t understood as extravagant anymore. But when Hordfast will downgrade the motorway to a “motortrafikkvei” with the internal option, E39 about Fusa will be seen as a cheap option. Now, there is ongoing uncertainty of the approval of Hordfast and new hope for the alternative “internal E39”, via Fusa. The internal E39 will help to stop congestion of the city-motorway trough Bergen, to reduce the time to E16 and Rv. 7 with 15 minutes, and to E134 with 30 minutes.
Prime Minister Erna Solberg said already in March 2016 that E39 Hordfast should be done in a more simple way and to consider in a precise way what to do. That is in contradiction with the Minister of Transport, who wants a direct 110 km/h motorway with the Bjørnafjord bridge. But the discussion will give the “internal E39” a new chance.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 02:14 PM   #4346
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The new flyovers at the E6-E16 interchange at Oslo-Gardermoen Airport open to traffic this week. They built new direct connectors to and from the north, making this a directional T-interchange. And perhaps the best-designed interchange in all of Norway.

I always cringe when I see a map that is rotated
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Old September 14th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #4347
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I always cringe when I see a map that is rotated
Basically, it is not a map but a plan printed on a map. For obvious reasons, the road construction plans are usually positioned in a way where the main road to be built is shown horizontally on a landscape sheet.

BTW, most maps are rotated, depending on their scale and projection. For example, in this map over Norway, the sides do not point to the north. In Finnmark, the grid north differs about 15+ degrees from the true north.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 12:30 AM   #4348
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Basically, it is not a map but a plan printed on a map. For obvious reasons, the road construction plans are usually positioned in a way where the main road to be built is shown horizontally on a landscape sheet.

BTW, most maps are rotated, depending on their scale and projection. For example, in this map over Norway, the sides do not point to the north. In Finnmark, the grid north differs about 15+ degrees from the true north.
I do not see any map in your post, but with the common Mercator projection, the sides of the map should indeed point to the true north. For smaller maps like the highway map (or plan if you like) posted by Chris the projection really does not matter much. The magnetic pole is a different story, hence the compass needle is indeed 11 degrees misaligned with the maps of eastern Finnmark, but that is because the magnetic north is not co-located with the true north. In addition the magnetic north is constantly on the move, and hence it would be a very bad reference for maps.
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Seems like the "Ice Road Rescue" is on in every European country now, the world next?

http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/ice-road-rescue

Every operation is "extremely dangerous". I wonder how these rescuers are allowed to continue their work in safety obsessed Norway
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Old September 15th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #4350
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Seems like the "Ice Road Rescue" is on in every European country now, the world next?

http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/ice-road-rescue

Every operation is "extremely dangerous". I wonder how these rescuers are allowed to continue their work in safety obsessed Norway
"Safety-obsessed", that hits it.

Isn't that one of the reasons they are planning tunnels of endless lengths under virtually all mountain passes?

How about a guardrail on Preikestolen?
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Old September 15th, 2016, 03:32 PM   #4351
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Seems like the "Ice Road Rescue" is on in every European country now, the world next?

http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/ice-road-rescue

Every operation is "extremely dangerous". I wonder how these rescuers are allowed to continue their work in safety obsessed Norway
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Old September 15th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #4352
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Seems like NatGeo is trying to compete with Discovery's Highway Thru Hell.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 04:52 PM   #4353
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Norway is proposing two E Road extensions at the 111th Session of the UNECE Working Party on Road Transport next month:

Extend the E134 from Drammen to Vassum over Rv23 and extend the E45 to Alta (co-proposed by Finland) over Kt93 and Rv93.

Both these strike me as pretty much no-brainers that will be approved. The only difficulty is that the E45 extension through Sweden ends just south of the border because the UNECE got funny about Finland not being involved when Sweden wanted to end it at the border (I can't recall if Finland were asked and said 'no' or weren't asked and would have been willing to have it end at E8). That said, they blocked Estonia's proposal for E265 that would take a ferry to Sweden and end at the port due to a lack of Swedish involvement but have it in their most recent listing.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 05:17 PM   #4354
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Interesting. Another option would be to run E134 from Drammen to Oslo and E18 through the Oslofjordtunnel, creating a shorter east-west route for E18. But from a regional perspective, a single road number for Oslo - Kristiansand traffic makes more sense than E134 + E18.

Another observation on the map is that E16 Oslo - Hønefoss still exists not only on the signage, but also on the map. E16 was rerouted from Hønefoss to Gardermoen, bypassing Oslo to the north.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #4355
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Another observation on the map is that E16 Oslo - Hønefoss still exists not only on the signage, but also on the map. E16 was rerouted from Hønefoss to Gardermoen, bypassing Oslo to the north.
Norway was always adamant that Oslo-Hønefoss would remain E16, becoming a branch*. The official description says "Bergen - ... - Hønefoss (Oslo) - Gardermoen - ..." with ... filling in some placenames.

*which, while this is the longest one by some way, is rather common in Norway.
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But from a regional perspective, a single road number for Oslo - Kristiansand traffic makes more sense than E134 + E18.
True. Till foreseeable future AADT of E18 to Kristiansand will be higher than the E134. There has been a proposal to renumber Rv 23 to E134 to get an EW road from westcoast to E6 Sweden. In that case, Drammen-Lierstanda will have a double number E18 + E134. But in case the Lierdiagonalen (connection E134 to Drammen-North) will be realised the double number section will be even smaller.
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The only difficulty is that the E45 extension through Sweden ends just south of the border because the UNECE got funny about Finland not being involved when Sweden wanted to end it at the border (I can't recall if Finland were asked and said 'no' or weren't asked and would have been willing to have it end at E8).
The E45 extension was on the agenda of the Working Party session 99 in 2005. The proposal is here: http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/t...1-2005-03e.pdf

As the paper shows, the initiative was submitted by Sweden only. It was not 100% honest: There is a statement "In Karesuando, the road ends close to the road E 8." That is not true: The road continues on the Finnish side and joins the E8 after about 800 meters.

As Finland has less passion to E roads, it just ignored the proposal. The name of the Finnish twin village is Karesuvanto. This small difference made it possible for Finland to say than Finland has nothing to do with the case.

I believe most the working party members did not understand what they agreed on: 1690 kilometers of new E road not connecting to the E road network at the north end but leaving a gap of less than one kilometer,

Soon afterwards, Norway made a proposal to Finland that the E45 should be extended to Alta to reach E6. Finland said no. Now, it seems to me that Norway and Finland have reached a consensus on the issue. (Sweden usually expresses some big brother attitude to its neighbors. Therefore it is sometimes left alone on principle.)

There will be a minimal cost involved. Some number signs need to be ordered.
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In Autumn 2017 the Rv 23 Drammen-Vassum will be renumbered to E134. The E134 to Haugesund will be on the signs of E6 near Vassum.



Lierdiagonalen will connect Hokksund with Kryss, north of Drammen. This proposal will bypass the annoying four roundabouts on E134 Drammen- Hokksund. Realisation is not clear. Instead of that Strømsåstunnelen in Drammen will get a second tube, making Lierdiagonalen less necessary.

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As the paper shows, the initiative was submitted by Sweden only. It was not 100% honest: There is a statement "In Karesuando, the road ends close to the road E 8."
That's accurate. It ends close to the E8.
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That is not true: The road continues on the Finnish side and joins the E8 after about 800 meters.
From the E45/R99 junction, where both routes end end-on, an unnumbered road (that's a turn from the main roads) goes to the Finnish border, where it becomes Mt959 which ends a few hundred metres away at the E8.
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That's accurate. It ends close to the E8.From the E45/R99 junction, where both routes end end-on, an unnumbered road (that's a turn from the main roads) goes to the Finnish border, where it becomes Mt959 which ends a few hundred metres away at the E8.
No, the road does not end. The number changes. These are two different things.

The proposal text gives an impression that road in Karesuando is a dead end, like the North Cape, for example.
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