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Old December 22nd, 2016, 06:38 PM   #4601
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Hardangervidda

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 08:18 PM   #4602
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Toll collection will end on E39 between Orkanger and Trondheim (also called: Øysand–Thamshamn) on 31 January 2017. Tolls were collected for a period of 15 years to fund the upgrade, which opened to traffic on 30 June 2005.

Øysand - Thamshamn is more precise. This road has many single tube tunnels and relative high traffic (in Norwegian terms). I predict tolls will be back in a few years.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 08:20 PM   #4603
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For a duplication to four lanes?
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 01:04 PM   #4604
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I drove that stretch this summer during rush hour. Nice piece of motortrafikkvei E6 was packed but when I got on E39 the traffic got lighter so it wasn't that bad. What's the AADT there?
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 01:09 PM   #4605
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It was 10 000 some years ago in the eastern end. I can check visveg later to get an updated figure. There are in any case some EU regulations that kick in due to the tunnels.

Edit: 12 400 at eastern end (Klett/Øysand ) , and 8 600 at the western end (Thamshamn), both numbers from 2015.
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Yes, but currently the local focus is on E6 south and north of Trondheim, which the situation is more accute. Probably, though, the lack of tolls on E39, will lead to higher traffic growth and and push it higher up on the priority list. Housing is significantly cheaper in Orkanger and the towns along this road than in Trondheim, making them attractive for commuting.

This project on E39 was the first "OPS" road project of Norway, btw (public-private partnership, PPP). In these kinds of schemes, a private company or consortium has the responsibility both for the construction and maintenance/operation of the road for a number of years after construction. It is no doubt that this scheme, introduced by the conservatives and deplored by the leftists, has been a resounding success for this project. It was constructed in record time at a predictable cost. The fact that the consortium also has responsibility for maintenance ensures that robust solutions are chosen under the construction, unlike some other recent projects of Norway.

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 02:13 PM   #4606
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Fv. 63

Some more photos of Fv. 63 / County Road 63, from Geiranger to Grotli.


1. There is a private toll road to Dalsnibba. The toll fee is 130 NOK (€ 14.40).

Fylkesvei 63-1 by European Roads, on Flickr

2. The ice lakes are amazing, really a reason to visit Norway in June instead of August when it has melted away.

Fylkesvei 63-2 by European Roads, on Flickr

3. Fv. 63 is a National Tourist Road.

Fylkesvei 63-3 by European Roads, on Flickr

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Fylkesvei 63-4 by European Roads, on Flickr

5. It looks arctic.

Fylkesvei 63-5 by European Roads, on Flickr

6. The Møre og Romsdal / Oppland border. The mountain on the right is the border with Sogn og Fjordane.

Fylkesvei 63-6 by European Roads, on Flickr

7. Fv. 63 ends at an intersection with Rv. 15. Until 1977, Fv. 63 continued to Grotli, it became Rv. 15 when the tunnel route opened that bypassed the old Strynefjell pass.

Fylkesvei 63-7 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 04:37 PM   #4607
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Until 1977, Fv. 63 continued to Grotli, it became Rv. 15 when the tunnel route opened that bypassed the old Strynefjell pass.
Strictly speaking, they were both RVs back then ;-)
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 09:28 PM   #4608
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Housing is significantly cheaper in Orkanger and the towns along this road than in Trondheimtriatlonklubb.no, making them attractive for commuting.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:33 PM   #4609
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1. There is a private toll road to Dalsnibba. The toll fee is 130 NOK (€ 14.40).
It used to be cheaper, but then the road was in bad condition - it's been renovated and a new plattform going over the edge of the cliff has been built on top so it's actually worth it:

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 11:47 PM   #4610
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Future AADT between Øysand - Buvika demanded 4 lanes long before construction started. But SVV head of planning stated that they "ville se strekningen under ett/som en helhet", and have 2 lanes also at the eastern part. This was not foresighted at all. It would have been easier to raise the question about widening of the western part now, if the eastern already had 4 lanes.
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Old December 24th, 2016, 01:23 PM   #4611
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Do Norwegian houses and apartment buildings normally come with electric heater outlet for parked cars (as it is somehow common in Canada)?
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Do Norwegian houses and apartment buildings normally come with electric heater outlet for parked cars (as it is somehow common in Canada)?
Certainly this is somewhat common also in Norway, and I have had this opportunity in most places I have lived, and even some employers have offered this. However, my impression is that electric engine heaters have become less popular lately. This may be due to milder climate, increased popularity of fuel burning heaters (eg. webasto), but also that these electric engine heaters often are the cause of grounding problems.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 10:36 AM   #4613
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Apparently in Canada they advise people not to plug in a vehicle in a garage. It is evidently the cause of many house fires. I've seen a comment from a guy in Winnipeg where his car wouldn't start after a deep freeze of -35 C, even though it was parked in the garage (but not plugged in).
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A closed garage can be heated as another room, right? I mean: radiators and all of that.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 11:26 AM   #4615
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Sure it can, but garages are often semi-detached with poor insulation, so in most cases it's just a waste of money to heat it.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 02:10 PM   #4616
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Do Norwegian houses and apartment buildings normally come with electric heater outlet for parked cars (as it is somehow common in Canada)?
I don't think places like Bergen do need that, due to Gulf Stream temperatures aren't usually extremely low, compared to inland areas of Canada, Russia,...
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 02:29 PM   #4617
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That's true, the average low in Bergen is just around the freezing point during the winter, with February averaging a low of -0.1°C. The record low is -16°C, normally a car should be able to start with such temperatures.
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That's true, the average low in Bergen is just around the freezing point during the winter, with February averaging a low of -0.1°C. The record low is -16°C, normally a car should be able to start with such temperatures.
In about 99.99% of the cases preheating is not about making the engine to start but about comfort and saving the car. It saves time, effort (and the window glass) if there is no need to scrape the windows. It saves the engine, and the earth, too: A cold start at -20 degrees strains the engine as much as driving 500 kilometers. The emissions may be double or triple during the first few kilometers after the cold start.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #4619
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Well, most other areas of Europe get cold enough for those reasons you listed as well, and they generally don't plug in their cars. Even a pre-heater is uncommon (though available).

Idling to warm up the engine after a cold start is bad for both the engine and the environment, on the other hand, driving off with frozen windows is even worse. Every winter they publish those articles how idling the car to heat up is completely unnecessary. While that may be true, most cars would need to idle to get the A/C working, otherwise the windows would fog up immediately.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 11:45 PM   #4620
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Well, most other areas of Europe get cold enough for those reasons you listed as well, and they generally don't plug in their cars. Even a pre-heater is uncommon (though available).
Most other areas of Europe are not in the North. I would not easily compare the winter conditions of the Central-European lowlands to most of Norway and Finland as well as half of Sweden which are located to the north of the 60th latitude. For example, the thermic winter lasts about four months in the south Finland up to 5.5 months in the north. During that time, the daily average temperature is below zero.

The potential preheating season lasts longer than the thermic winter because people tend to go to work in the morning when the daily temperature is lowest. Even in the south, there may be mornings below zero from early September to early May. As scraping the windows 200 times a year is somewhat annoying, it is easy to understand why virtually every new car is equipped with some kind of a pre-heater, and most housing with dedicated parking space have power outlets.

(A very cold temperature is not that bad it may sound. The most desperate weather is a rain or a fog followed by -3 temperature. That makes very thick and hard ice which is almost a mission impossible without heating.)

Bergen and other Norwegian coastal areas, of course, are a notable exceptions because of the sea is smoothing the temperature curve substantially. Chilly and wet all year long.

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