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Old August 30th, 2017, 05:22 PM   #4921
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I noticed protest stickers against more tolls roads to be relatively common on less expensive cars in Bergen. Everyday I come across several of them (with the noticeable "NOK ER NOK" in bright red).
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Old August 30th, 2017, 09:43 PM   #4922
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What happened to the E6 bridge at Minnesund? It's closed due to a settling issue. I hope it's not as bad as E18 at Holmestrand last year. The E6 bridge is only a few years old.
It's not the bridge that is the problem, but rather the drainage of the motorway on the ground has malfunctioned:

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Old August 31st, 2017, 02:25 PM   #4923
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A new pedestrian and bicycle bridge will be built at across Ring 3 at Ullevål in Oslo.


https://www.vareveger.no/artikler/uh...krysset/404839
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Old September 2nd, 2017, 08:14 PM   #4924
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Fv108 Hvaler to Fredrikstad has a 3km section running on fillings and bridges:

2017-08-29_09-05-19 by André Wauthier, on Flickr
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Old September 4th, 2017, 03:58 PM   #4925
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The first road deck elements on the Hålogalands bridge have now been lifted in place.





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Old September 5th, 2017, 12:49 PM   #4926
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Fv108 Hvaler to Fredrikstad has a 3km section running on fillings and bridges:
They used to be quite proud of this road down there (probably still is) and used to print it on postcards etc. Later a subsea tunnel was built further out on the road, which in 1989 I think was the first of its kind in south-eastern Norway (but only 7th in Norway overall). This tunnel actually serve very few permanent inhabitants, so despite the many summer tourists the economy of this toll project turned out to be catastrophy. Hence they had to move the toll station closer to Fredrikstad where the traffic was higher.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 09:02 PM   #4927
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Old September 7th, 2017, 11:57 PM   #4928
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^ ?

This facebook-group shows hopeless situations on the National road 13 Odda - Hardanger bridge:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/827443734035368/photos/

Most of this road is so narrow vehicles have trouble meeting, and the summer-tourist traffic is significant:





Video from youtube (in moderate traffic):
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Old September 8th, 2017, 02:56 AM   #4929
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Old September 8th, 2017, 04:42 PM   #4930
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E105

The E105 upgrade in Finnmark has been completed. The Norwegian and Russian ministers of transportation will attend the opening ceremony on 28 September.

They built a 2 kilometer new alignment of E105 near Elvenes, including a 690 meter long tunnel and a 120 meter span arch bridge across the Bøkfjord.

All of E105 from Kirkenes to the Russian border at Storskog has been upgraded since 2011. Russian R21 has also been upgraded significantly. A bypass of Nikel was built in 2013, shortening the driving distance by 25 kilometers.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 04:52 AM   #4931
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The road Rv93 and the Finnish 93 meet too, until the route will be renumbered to E45 (N) and 93/E45 (FIN).

When are they going to start with this renumbering to E45?
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Old September 9th, 2017, 12:28 PM   #4932
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When are they going to start with this renumbering to E45?
The process is still in the bureaucracy pipeline:

- 2005 United Nations ECE agrees the extension on E45 to Karesuando in Sweden. Sweden made a mistake with their homework, and the agreement leaves a gap of 800 meters between the E8 in Finland and the end of E45. Hollow laughing in Finland.
- Since that, the local organizations in Finland and Norway have pushed the extension to Alta.
- In 2015 Finland and Norway decide to forgive Sweden, and to make the proposal to extend E45 to Alta over the Finnish 21/E8 and 93 and the Norwegian Rv93.
- The proposal was agreed in the UNECE Inland Transport Committee meeting in October 2016.
- The relevant member countries were informed about such a decision in February 2017, and they were given six months to oppose it.
- In Finland, the President agrees on the agreement on August 25th, 2017, two days before the deadline.
- After receiving the responses, the UNECE General Secretary will inform the member states that the amendment to the AGR agreement has been accepted.
- The amendment will be effective three months after submitting that information.

Thus, the new signs will be installed probably in the summer 2018.

In Finland, this is only about installing about 30 new signs, because the existing national numbering remains unchanged. The estimated implementation cost is about 3000 euros.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 11:04 PM   #4933
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The process is still in the bureaucracy pipeline:

- 2005 United Nations ECE agrees the extension on E45 to Karesuando in Sweden. Sweden made a mistake with their homework, and the agreement leaves a gap of 800 meters between the E8 in Finland and the end of E45. Hollow laughing in Finland.
- Since that, the local organizations in Finland and Norway have pushed the extension to Alta.
- In 2015 Finland and Norway decide to forgive Sweden, and to make the proposal to extend E45 to Alta over the Finnish 21/E8 and 93 and the Norwegian Rv93.
- The proposal was agreed in the UNECE Inland Transport Committee meeting in October 2016.
- The relevant member countries were informed about such a decision in February 2017, and they were given six months to oppose it.
- In Finland, the President agrees on the agreement on August 25th, 2017, two days before the deadline.
- After receiving the responses, the UNECE General Secretary will inform the member states that the amendment to the AGR agreement has been accepted.
- The amendment will be effective three months after submitting that information.

Thus, the new signs will be installed probably in the summer 2018.

In Finland, this is only about installing about 30 new signs, because the existing national numbering remains unchanged. The estimated implementation cost is about 3000 euros.

Thank You! In Norway they must install more new signs. I thought they were going to have the new signs before December 2017.
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Old September 10th, 2017, 10:04 PM   #4934
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Which city do you think will be first connected to Oslo with a full highway-spec road? Trondheim, Bergen or Stavanger? I don't mean necessarily 2+2, it could also be a highway link with many 1+1 sectors and tunnels, as long as fit with proper geometry, grade-separation all the way, no roadside access to houses or businesses abutting the road etc.
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Old September 10th, 2017, 10:18 PM   #4935
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Probably Stavanger via E18 and E39. There are serious plans to upgrade all of that while Bergen - Oslo would not happen until Bergen - Stavanger gets entirely upgraded. I don't see a high-standard road across all of the mountains between Oslo and Bergen, so it would probably be linked via the south coast sooner than across the mountains. Oslo - Trondheim lacks a proper strategy with upgrades to E6 while most traffic uses Rv. 3.
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Would an hypothetical E6 motorway being faster than the non-motorway Rv3?

Interestingly, Oslo-Trondheim motorway was first planned during German occupation in WWII, when Germans planned to extend the Reichautobahn network all over occupied Europe.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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With regards to your question : For cars perhaps, but not for trucks, and even for cars E6 would not be fast enough to be a serious alternative to air travel, like Rv 3 might have been. Note that neither neither are being developed to motorway standard atm, so this is, as you say, unfortunately an academic excersize.

The TRD-OSL motorway plans of the Third Reich were relating to the grand nazi plans for Trondheim, which they called Drontheim. Basically, the plan was to establish a new metropolis with several hundred thousands of German immigrants called Neu Drontheim. The primary purpose I believe was to staff and supply a gigantic naval base. Luckily, the tide turned against the Germans, and most of these plans were never realized. However, the Germans still did a lot of construction in Trondheim during the war, including two huge submarine bunkers.

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With regards to your question : For cars perhaps, but not for trucks, and even for cars E6 would not be fast enough to be a serious alternative to air travel, like Rv 3 might have been.
The case might not be that straightforward. Usually, the average speed on motorways is higher than on the 1+1 roads even for trucks. There are no spot speed limits, intersections, villages or roundabouts on motorways.

The difference in length between E6 and Rv3 is about 35 kilometers, and that is not much on a leg of about 500 kilometers.

There is a case to compare in Finland: The route Turku-Lahti is about 215 kilometers over the roads 10 and 12 or 10 and 54 on 1+1 roads. Still, the truckers seem to prefer the route 1-25-4, which is 25 kilometers longer. The latter one consists of 165 kilometers of motorway and 75 kilometers of a 1+1 road. Smoother traffic flow and good availability of services are the key decision criteria.
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The most problematic sections on Rv3 with regards to traffic flow, the Elverum area and the climb towards the highest point at Lonåsen (Tynset) will both soon be bypassed, on the former construction is starting as we speak. The remaining speed restrictions (which seems to be ignored by most trucks anyway) are not close to outweighing the about 40 km longer distance, and probably as important, 300 m larger climb, of E6. Both differences are about to increase somewhat with the aforementioned improvements of Rv3, btw. In addition, Rv3 is not as weather exposed as E6.

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The Norwegian conservative government seems to have earned another 4 years following yesterday's national elections. I guess that means that current infrastructure improvement strategies, including both Nye Veier (organization responsible for larger national road projects) and some use of PPPs, will be upheld.
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