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Old November 22nd, 2017, 04:07 AM   #5101
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The relevant rule of thumb in this case, though, would be "Do not cross the road before the bus has left the stop" (looking to the right would not have helped as the view of the bus was obscured by the bus.....)
In the US(well at least my state), it is illegal to pass a stopped school bus going in the other direction. Even on major roads or highways.

There is no law for passing other kinds of buses, but I think you could make a case that there should be one under certain circumstances. I guess it depends on the environment. On an urban street where the bus unloads against the sidewalk and there are plenty of crosswalks it would be inappropriate to force all traffic to stop in both directions for pedestrians crossing illegally mid-block. But for a rural stop where bus passengers will have to cross the road and there is nowhere safe to do so in a reasonable distance, I think maybe the presence of a halted bus should 'create' an invisible crosswalk which pedestrians have the right of way. Signage indicating a bus stop is ahead would be installed. Or flashing lights would be mounted on the bus serving a route with such a stop, or the bus's normal LED destination sign could flash red. I don't think there's that many rural bus stops so it wouldn't be a huge burden to do this.
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Old November 28th, 2017, 12:42 AM   #5102
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The junction on Otrøya that is part of the planned E39 romdalsfjord crossing have been redesigned. This redesign reportedly made the crossing 130 mill NOK cheaper.

Earlier junction:





Redesign. It now appears like there will only one roundabout at one side of the bridge.

https://www.vareveger.no/artikler/ny...ill-e39/412757
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Old November 28th, 2017, 02:51 AM   #5103
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360 drone pictures of the construction of E39 outside of Bergen taken this month:

http://www.360aircamdrone.net/e39sr/...017/index.html
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Old November 29th, 2017, 12:37 PM   #5104
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E134 Saggrenda bru construction update.












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Old November 29th, 2017, 12:43 PM   #5105
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Nice. I like the fact that they are building an arch bridge and not another nondescript beam bridge or cantilever span.

What is the current status of the Norwegian government formation? It seems like the former coalition can continue?
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Old November 29th, 2017, 02:15 PM   #5106
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In Norway we have negative parliamentarism. That means that the same cabinet can go on after a parliament (Stortinget) election, unless it is clear that the cabinet no longer has the confidence of Stortinget. Formally it is the king that appoints cabinets (or new ministers), but he does so after conferring with the major parties of Stortinget such that it a new cabinet not immediately receives a vote of no confidence. Hence, in unclear political situations he may have some subtle political power, but this is rarely the case.

Currently, the four parties that backed the cabinet during the former parliament, of which only the two largest and most conservative ones actually are in the cabinet, still hold the majority of Stortinget, although one of them (the Christian People's party) is not willing to commit through a formal agreement. Hence, the current government continues more or less as before the election, although the parliamentary foundation is a bit more shaky. There has been a change of some of the ministers, however, and it seems likely that a third party (Venstre - "Left", which in factfor a century has been a centrist party) will join the cabinert soon.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 02:18 PM   #5107
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The government coalition partners of the Conservatives and the Progress Party, together with their supporting Christian Democratic Party and the Liberal Party, just agreed on a the budget for 2018, so it's looking like there will no further bumps in the road. The new goverment minister posts have not been agreed upon as of yet, but from what I've read, this will be decided after New Years, in addition to the new govermental platform for 2017-2021. A new foreign secretary and secretary of defence have already been appointed post-election.

Only big question is whether the Liberal party decides to be a part of the new goverment, which has been hinted.

Edit: Did not see 54°26′S 3°24′E's reply before posting, so this is only meant as a reply to ChrisZwolle's question.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 03:52 PM   #5108
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I think the two posts were quite complementary ;-)

Just to clarify a bit the "Liberal party" equals venstre. They are social liberal (as in the meaning of "liberal" often used in US politics) rather than classical liberal, btw.
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Old November 29th, 2017, 06:06 PM   #5109
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Venstre, which means 'Left', is the name of the liberal/social liberal party, like the LibDems in UK. Unlike some 'liberals' in the US, Venstre is pro free-trade. The three core policies in the last election were (1) education, (2) innovation and (small) businesses, and (3) climate and environment.

It's the oldest party in Norway, and the name is a reference to revolutionary France, where the liberals and republicans sat on the left side, and the conservatives and aristocrats sat on the right side of the national assembly. Sort of confusing after the rise of socialist parties.

The Christian Democrats are more conservative on social issues (less enthusiastic about abortion, especially abortion of fetuses with Down syndrome), but more left-leaning than Venstre on economic issues.

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Another big question is whether the Christian Democrats are going to support the right-wing government or team up with the Labour party. The Christian Democrats is split between the liberal Christians (Christian youths in urban areas) and conservative Christians.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 10:15 AM   #5110
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As a social liberal, I feel the need to point out that the social part of social liberalism actually refers to an implementation of (classical) liberalism and its ideals with a particular regard for social justice issues like poverty, worker's rights and so on.

However it is correct that the social liberals of today are also very "socially/culturally" liberal wrt to abortion and drug legislation and so on.

While in the US and correct me if I'm wrong, the "liberal" label stems from liberal views on religious and "moral" issues, the liberalism part of social liberalism has the same meaning and root as classical, european liberalism.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 12:42 PM   #5111
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As far as I have understood, classical liberalism is about freedom and responsibility of the individual with minimal interference by the government, who basically should only be there to ensure safety, law and order, including the protection of property rights, and they directly shunned rights of collective groups like labor unions etc. Many of the ideas of social liberal parties like Venstre are in direction opposition to this view, with its focus on the welfare state etc. Although hardly the focus back in the old days, many of the green policies of Venstre, like restrictions on individual travel seem very remote from classical liberalism. In many cases they are also strongly supporters of restriction on individual's property rights, eg. prohibition against construction close to the shores and numerous of other regulations. Venstre also sees the tax system as a means to transfer money from the rich to the poor, which again is very much against classical liberal thoughts where welfare is the responsibility of the individual.

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Another big question is whether the Christian Democrats are going to support the right-wing government or team up with the Labour party. The Christian Democrats is split between the liberal Christians (Christian youths in urban areas) and conservative Christians.
First of all, although they call themselves Christian Democrats in English, they are not an equivalent to christian democratic parties in other countries like Germany. The best equivalent in Norway to the latter would be Høyre (literaly translated "Right"), which is the second biggest party in the parliament and is leading the cabinet. Hence, I think the direct translation Christian people's party is a more meaningful name in English. This party is not, and has never been, a broad conservative party but a rather narrow religious party.

In any case, they are clearly are in a big crisis now and in a lose-lose position thanks to incompetent leadership. They were punished hard during the election by not clearly siding with either the labor or conservative coalitions, which by many (myself included) was seen as irresponsible, but their remaining representatives are almost all from what is often considered as the christian conservative districts of Norway. Hence, although they in principle are in a powerful position, they might be irradicated if they dear to tear down the government. They will also lose face if they make a permanent agreement with government. Further, by not siding formally with the conservative government, the government are free to go to the opposition on questions of high importance of the Christian People party, for instance on questions regarding values and family policies.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM   #5112
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First of all, although they call themselves Christian Democrats in English, they are not an equivalent to christian democratic parties in other countries like Germany.
It sounds similar to the Christian Union in the Netherlands. They are more on the left in regard to environment and immigration, centrist on economy and conservative on religious / ethical issues. They hold only 5 out of 150 seats, but are currently in government, and are not comparable to CDU in Germany.

I think the Netherlands has a somewhat similar government as Norway at this moment, it is considered right wing, but also has more centrist and socially liberal elements.

But unlike Norway, where AP is still a strong force, the traditional left has been decimated in the Netherlands, with many smaller protest / single issue parties emerging over the past 15 years. AP's Dutch counterpart Labour has only 9 out of 150 seats right now.
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Old November 30th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #5113
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E39 Ålesund - Molde

The preferred alignment of the E39 motorway has been selected between Digernes and Vik. It is a circa 27 kilometer route, which is to be of H8 standard, with four lanes and a 110 km/h speed limit. It contains a 7.3 kilometer tunnel and is part of the Ålesund - Molde upgrade.

It connects to the Romsdalsfjord Crossing (a 15.5 km long 2x2 tunnel). The construction cost is estimated at 7.9 billion NOK (€ 800 million).

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Old December 1st, 2017, 04:40 PM   #5114
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Routes that are being considered for a new Fv. 82 Hadselsfjord under sea tunnel.

One of the proposed routes (to the right on the map) goes from Jenslibukta and would be around 14-15 km long with an estimated cost of 6 billion NOK. The other route goes from Hadselsanden and would be around 11-12 km long. Estimated cost for that rout is 5,7 billion NOK. Statens Vegvesen will present the various concepts for the crossing next week and will announce their preferred alternative in Mars 2018.


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Routes that are being considered for a new Fv. 82 Hadselsfjord under sea tunnel.

One of the proposed routes (to the right on the map) goes from Jenslibukta and would be around 14-15 km long with an estimated cost of 6 billion NOK. The other route goes from Hadselsanden and would be around 11-12 km long. Estimated cost for that rout is 5,7 billion NOK. Statens Vegvesen will present the various concepts for the crossing next week and will announce their preferred alternative in Mars 2018.


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Second fixed link to Lofoten. Why?
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Second fixed link to Lofoten. Why?
Maybe they want to develop tourism there with more hotels and the like?
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Second fixed link to Lofoten. Why?
To make Vesterålen and Lofoten better connected with each other.
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To make Vesterålen and Lofoten better connected with each other.
We can easily see that, thanks.

Vesterålen and Lofoten have about 55,000 inhabitants total. The price tag of 6 GNOK seems quite high for an investment into the local traffic of the tiny remote province. The tunnel route would reduce the driving time between the two principal villages towns Svolvær and Sortland by about 15 minutes.

The cost calculations are quite random there. In 1997 when the alignment of LOFAST was decided, the cost estimate of the tunnel alternative was 860 million NOK. In 2015, when the tunnel planning was resumed, it was 1500 million, and later 2500 million. Now it is 6000 million, with the error margin of as high as 40 per cent.

The actual cost of LOFAST was about 1400 million (in the money of the year 2009).

The local people seem to have taken the next step in speculation: The tunnel would probably lead to a closure of one or two of the three small airports in the area. There is a vision for a new larger airport, but also a big disagreement about which side of Hadselfjorden would host the new aiport.

My guess is that under these conditions, there will be no tunnel within the next 20 years.
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The travel time saving would be considerably more between Svolvær and the Hadsel municipality. But still, it's a lot of money.

Is the Melbu - Fiskebøl ferry impacted by weather a lot? That's an argument for tunnels in some areas (for example Føroyar).
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We can easily see that, thanks.
I'm not sure how you can see that let alone easily. There are plenty of roads that gets build to make for a better regional or national road network while the local connections are secondary. Tthis project is explicitly there to provide better connections with the settlements on both sides of the fjord and make Vesterålen and Lofotoen into something resembling a "metro area".

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My guess is that under these conditions, there will be no tunnel within the next 20 years.
They are just conducting a feasibility study on a improved connection across the fjord. They haven't even decided to recommend a tunnel yet. I don't think anyone involved with the project are under any illusion that it won't take many years before it gets built should they decide to go with a tunnel. It's not even mentioned in NTP.
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