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Old June 8th, 2009, 01:05 AM   #701
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It would probably look good in a map, but I'm not quite sure who it actually will serve... Who will travel on this road, when most inner roads would be faster most of the day?
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Old June 8th, 2009, 01:23 AM   #702
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If Oslo would expand into "marka" it might be a good idea, but since it won't well, yeah you are right. Where is it expected that Oslo will expand, or will it only grow in height?
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Old June 8th, 2009, 01:37 AM   #703
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^ Oslo will grow the way all cities should, with more density in already built up areas, moving out industry etc. Hopefully in height aswell when areas starts to get really full.

Most of the day? E18 is packed full most of the day...

How about something like this instead? Not motorways but some ok standard roads as an alternative to Oslo jams - and some motorways, upgrades of some roads and some new roads:

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Old June 8th, 2009, 11:02 AM   #704
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Then I would like another 2 or 3 line tunnel under the oslofjord so it can become a motorway.

There is alot of roads that needs improvement around the major cities because of capacity problems. And that annoys me. Some are neglected problems, such as Stavanger, other are self made such as Trondheim. After the local government tried to restrict car usage by removing 2+ cars in bus lines, it has led to an increased queues and increased traffic on the side roads. I guess the only thing to do is for people have to buy thicker glasses and build noise fences.

For example FV885 in this map:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=63...layers=B000FTF
is having a pretty high traffic amount, (not big queues, but just regular high traffic) and the houses here are close to the road almost along the whole stretch.

But I guess that it's a great bypass for some

The problems with these roads are that they are nice bypasses of city centres, but are not designed for high traffic amounts. I guess a replacement tunnel could be nice.
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Old June 8th, 2009, 01:04 PM   #705
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Or simply a barrier? We have Many of them in Oslo It's not like they can't use E6 instead... ;D

New bridge over Brandangersundet with a span of 220 meters in Sogn starts construction in september, the roadway will only be 5 meters wide:

http://www.vareveger.no/nyheter/article204768.ece
So where is Brandangersundet? It's nowhere, i can't find the damn place, congrats on your new bridge, 3 guys!
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Old June 8th, 2009, 03:07 PM   #706
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This would be my proposal to a new road system in Trondheim.
Green is the current E 6.
Blue should be the new E 6. They actually planed a such bypass back in the 80's but it was never build due to lack of money.
Red is other roads with 4 lanes or more. They are planed so that only 6 or 7 houses must be removed.
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Old June 8th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #707
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Quote:
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http://www.vareveger.no/nyheter/article204768.ece
So where is Brandangersundet? It's nowhere, i can't find the damn place, congrats on your new bridge, 3 guys!
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=6...,0.363922&z=12
I guess the bridge will be built all the way down south in that "sund", where the ferry is going today.

Even if it's only a few 100 people getting a bridge I like it. And 5m yeah, sounds like a good compromise.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 12:16 AM   #708
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I'm against every road that's more narrow than 6,5 meters. That's the minimum for yellow stripe.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 12:43 AM   #709
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Me too generally, but this is to islands in sparsely populated areas. There are a lot of roads which has way higher AADT without yellow stripe But if it was possible to build this bridge with let's say 8-9 meters (including pedestrian/bycycle line) with toll financing then why not :P I haven't checked out how this bridge is financed though.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 01:08 AM   #710
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Toll financing doesn't pay itself when traffic numbers are lower than a certain level..
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Old June 9th, 2009, 01:25 AM   #711
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Yeah, that's why I said what I said, I can't have an opinion about it if I know nothing. Well I could, as many Norwegians do have opinions about stuff I don't know anything about. but you know...


E6 through Oppdal is moved 1 block, and it costs almost $30million to do it. I think they should use the money to build a road around the village.
http://www.tu.no/nyheter/article213080.ece
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Old June 9th, 2009, 02:25 AM   #712
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This is what you get when the local authorities is responsible of planing the new road. It's like the future E 39 at Orkanger. The current E 39 works like a perfectly fine bypass. But in the future the E 39 will go trough Orkanger sentrum giving it three new roundabouts and being almost 10 km longer than the current route.
Yellow is the current E 39.
Red is the proposed E 39 in the future.
White, green and blue is my proposal of a new E 39. White a four lane tunnel bypassing Orkanger sentrum. Green a four lane motorway. Blue either regular stamvei or two lane motortrafikkvei.
Purple is my proposal of an extension to Rv 714.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 03:41 AM   #713
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I don't see why they would want to build a new e39 there. But local authorities are well, local and should often not take decisisions because they could make options that are best for them personally or their personal interests, instead of what's best for most people.

Your solution is good, and you would only have to expropriate 4-5 houses.

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Old June 9th, 2009, 03:03 PM   #714
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Blasting in Marienborgtunnelen in Trondheim is complete, now only putting up elements, making the road, electronics etc remains. A little but nice video about it:
http://www.adressa.no/tv/?id=10684

In other news, yet another bicyclist lost her life, today in Trondheim, may she rest in peace! I hope they can build some pedestrian bridges soon. Here is the crossing and intersection in question:
http://kart.finn.no/?lng=10.39765&la...tivetab=search

Trondheim is not a bicycle city, even with a left-orientated government. Especially 40-50 year old male Trĝndere don't know how to drive and don't respect cyclists. There are some cycle routes, but as far as I know nothing has changed in many years.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 03:49 PM   #715
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The main problem is that the walking lanes got a green light at the same time as the cars.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #716
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Yeah, but they don't get a green arrow. But I'm always careful when crossing the road close to intersections.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 03:03 AM   #717
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Pirbrua was tested and the bridge worked!
Video: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/174013

I can't wait till the north and western "ring roads" are completed!
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Old June 10th, 2009, 03:45 AM   #718
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They do get an green arrow. Cars turning right often got green light at the same time as the walking line in the street they go into.
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Old June 10th, 2009, 11:35 AM   #719
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Just want to mention the ongoing Fosenvegene project on Fosen. The biggest and most expensive part RV. 715 Vanvikan - Olsĝy (220 mio Kr) is out to the public these days. There are three suggested routs. A decission will fall later this year.

There is a little fighting around, and many people beyond Fosen certainly think spending 1.3 billion Kr out here is very worthless.

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Old June 10th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #720
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B1, is the existing route, I would go for B2 or B3, whatever can be designed as a 80 km/h road.

It's true that there aren't many people living over there. But I think we need to build good safe roads in all parts of Norway.

As long as they don't spend billions on building a bridge over there, i'm happy, even though a bridge over Tr.h.fjorden would be awesome.
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