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Old August 5th, 2007, 02:30 PM   #61
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There is a road to the Nordkapp yes. But don't expect motorway-like roads. The roads are very quiet, Norway is large and has only a population of 4.3 million. Especially north of Trondheim.

But the usual road from Europe to the Nordkapp is through Sweden and Finland, because that's shorter.
We are 4.6 million, actually... But 40% of those live within an hour's drive from Oslo, and more than 50% within two hours. Puts thing into perspective when you know that the distance Oslo-Rome is SHORTER than Oslo-Kirkenes (at the Russian border)... However, this has not yet resulted in a proper motorway network around Oslo and the other urban areas or a reasonable 2-lane main road system throughout the rest of the country. In fact, secondary national roads may be as good as E roads and other main roads (but they may also be in a terrible state...).

I think there are four main reasons for this: 1. The political aspect already mentioned by someone else. 2. The lack of a national strategy: in fact, up to the 90s, all Norwegian "national" roads, including E roads, were for all intents an purposes county roads, everything went through the counties. 3. The counties have been competing for funds, and thus, arguments like "last year, the Oslo region got more than us, therefore we should get more than them next year" were considered valid. 4. Even main roads have generally been made as inprovements of older, rural roads instead of making brand new roads. The same stretch of road, then, might well have been improved two, three or even four times since WWII, and the current road will still be worse than the similar one built in Sweden 40 years ago...
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Old August 20th, 2007, 05:41 PM   #62
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Here are some articles from an mc magazine with quality pictures of Norwegian roads. The first is from a regional road an hour's drive north of Oslo:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_hurdal.htm
A quiet road through hills and forests - national route 180. Another quiet road just round the corner is the 240:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_brandbu.htm
A more spectacular road is this, in the vicinity of Stavanger. Not a national road, but a tourist attraction nevertheless:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_lysebotn.htm
A mix of old and new regional highways is found around one of the deepest lakes in Europe, the Tinnsjø. This is the 37 and the 364:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_tinnsjo.htm
The 51 will take you through high mountains, all the way up to 1389 m. Not much for North/South Americans or even central Europeans, but quite extreme up here:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_valdresflya.htm
Another example of a typical rural road is the 255:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_espedal.htm
Spectacular nature and roads is available along the 63, both in Geiranger and along Trollstigen:
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_geiranger.htm
http://www.mcjournalen.no/ruter/rute_trollstigen.htm

For some reason I couldn't simply paste pictures, but I hope you'll enjoy some of these. I'll dig up some more later.
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Old August 20th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #63
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Here's the entrance of the world's longest road tunnel, Lærdalstunnelen:
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilde:Laerdalstunnelen.jpg
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Old August 20th, 2007, 06:34 PM   #64
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More Wikipedia stuff, this a suspension bridge on the 13 outside Stavanger on the southwestern coast:
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilde:L...fra_Uburen.jpg
Another bridge, much further north. On the 17 outside Sandnessjøen in Nordland county (and yes, "Nordland" means virtually what you would expect, even though it's not the northernmost county):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2006-07-02.JPG
Oslo's Ring 3 (aka rv 150 - but not signposted as that):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...evaal_oslo.jpg
A tolling station on the E6 just south of Oslo:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s%C3%B8_E6.JPG
E6 in Nordland:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...%B8mmernes.jpg
New E18 under construction, approx 50 kms southeast of Oslo:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...kim_Norway.JPG
Norway's highest mountain pass is found on the 55, here a (rather blurred) picture of the climb on the western side, where the road starts at sea level and ends at an elevation of 1440 m:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tagr%C3%B8.jpg
Almost as far north you can drive in Europe. The E69 south of the North Cape:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d_Mageroya.jpg
Ferries are common in Norway. This picture is from the 70s, but the situation is much the same today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...62-1988%29.jpg

Hope you'll enjoy these as well, I'll see if I can find some more...
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Old August 20th, 2007, 09:06 PM   #65
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Very nice pictures! Keep up the good work.
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Old August 20th, 2007, 09:50 PM   #66
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Norway's Highways are beautiful, congratulaisons Norway!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:48 PM   #67
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By popular demand

I found these on the Norwegian national road organisation's home page:

A few pictures from the western part of Oslo, on the quite busy rv 168. A tunnel is planned to ease the congestion:
http://www.vegvesen.no/region_ost/pr...kryssvest3.htm
One of the largest construction sites in Norway is in central Oslo. An immersed tunnel is being built to link two existing tunnels on the E18 in order to get traffic away from Oslo's seafront and the new opera. Here's a map and some images:
http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/Satellite?...FPage%2FVPside
One of many problems on Norway's highways... tractors. These are from the heavily trafficed E6 in Gudbrandsdalen approx 200 kms north of Oslo:
http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/BlobServer...r=image%2Fjpeg
http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/BlobServer...r=image%2Fjpeg
http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/BlobServer...r=image%2Fjpeg
http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/BlobServer...r=image%2Fjpeg
There are plans to improve the E6 on the abovementioned stretch, but it is at least 8-10 years in the future. Parts of the E16 northwest of Oslo, however, is already under construction. Here are some images of how it will be:
http://www.vegvesen.no/region_ost/pr...es/b1_del2.htm
This page includes a nice picture of one of Norway's older expressways, the E18 outside Larvik, 120 kms southwest of Oslo. It is overdue to be (and going to be) replaced by a motorway:
http://www.vegvesen.no/cs/Satellite?...FPage%2FVPside

For some reason, the road authorities focus almost exclusively on projects being built or planned, but there are some interesting samples here. For the truly interested, their web site, www.vegvesen.no is worth a try. There is an English version, but most of it is in Norwegian.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:53 PM   #68
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There is actually a "beautiful road award" in Norway... Here are the best two in 2006, the first from the northwestern part of the country, the second from central Oslo (click arrows to see more):
http://www.vegvesen.no/vakreveger/20...SVV-712608.htm
http://www.vegvesen.no/vakreveger/20...gnerplass1.htm
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Old August 21st, 2007, 11:06 PM   #69
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Eventually I found what I was really looking for - the web page for the national tourist roads. It's full of more touristy pictures (and of course in Norwegian), but if you click a bit back and forth, you'll find some good stuff. To begin with, here are shots from the spectacular Atlanterhavsveien, rv 64:

http://www.turistveg.no/modules/modu...Id=85&lang=nor

Enjoy!
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 05:54 PM   #70
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This one front-page news from Aftenposten, Norway's newspaper of record.

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Norwegian highway-building lags rest of Europe
Norway, despite its vast oil wealth, has been extremely slow to improve its roads and build safer, multi-lane highways. Startling new statistics were unveiled Monday, just after another weekend of deadly head-on collisions on heavily trafficked two-lane highways.

Two people were killed on the busy E-18 highway Sunday afternoon, when their car crashed head-on into a truck near Larvik. The fatal collision closed the highway for hours, and occurred at almost the same spot as another deadly crash last week.

Newspaper Aftenposten revealed statistics in its Monday edition documenting the lack of so-called "Class A" multi-lane highways in Norway. While Sweden has 1,740 kilometers of such roads, Norway has just 281 kilometers. Denmark, meanwhile, can boast 1,024 kilometers and Finland 700 kilometers.

Even poorer countries like Portugal have built 972 kilometers of multi-lane highways in the past six years, according to Knut Boge, a highway expert at Akershus College (Høyskolen i Akershus). He was presenting a detailed report on Norwegian roadbuilding, or lack thereof, at a seminar in Oslo on Monday.

Norway's mountains and jutted coastline have long been portrayed as hindrances to highway building in the country. Boge suggests other factors are at work.

Authorities in Sweden, Finland and Denmark have made "transport infrastructure" a priority since the 1950s, Boge told Aftenposten. Roadbuilding has been viewed as a means of securing national business competitiveness, he said, while Norwegian authorities "have been less concerned with this."

He noted that Norway is saving the majority of its oil and gas wealth overseas, through its massive pension fund. "Swedish, Danish and Finnish authorities, without such wealth, have made investment at home a priority, not least in transport infrastructure," Boge said. "They traditionally have seen a need for roads, taken the initiative to build them and then gradually paid for them through tax revenues."

In Norway, he said, state authorities since the 1800s have made roads mostly the responsibility of motorists, townships and counties. Last year, he noted, local and user contributions to roadbuilding made up roughly half of the total amount spent.

Norwegian politicians also fund projects that can help them secure reelection, not necessarily the projects that can build the most roads for the money and enhance safety.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 01:54 PM   #71
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The Aftenposten article is very much to the point. The only transport infrastructure ever prioritised up here, is airports. A joke from Northern Norway illustrates the point:

"Finally, we have an excellent airport with direct links to the rest of the country."

"Great, but how are we going to get to the airport? Do we have to swim?"
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Old September 30th, 2007, 12:03 PM   #72
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I agree that there are way to few Norwegian motorways, but in 2009 you can drive on Motorway all the way from Oslo to Tønsberg and Oslo to the Swedish border. So it is getting somewhat better!
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Old September 30th, 2007, 04:47 PM   #73
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I agree that there are way to few Norwegian motorways, but in 2009 you can drive on Motorway all the way from Oslo to Tønsberg and Oslo to the Swedish border. So it is getting somewhat better!
That's very good news! Keep building'em, so that my dream of visiting the Lofoten and Finnmark will be more feasible! (I live far away, in Romania!)
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Old October 10th, 2007, 12:13 PM   #74
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As promised, I present a few pictures taken 4 days ago - E18 Oslo - Kristiansand

















































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Old October 10th, 2007, 12:28 PM   #75
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Very nice pictures!
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This is the signs for B class motorways/highways in Norway. 4 or 6 lanes road isnt much at all. But there are some constructions, so the number is getting higher and higher for A class motorways/highways.


A class : 2 lanes on each side, which makes 4 in total. In Oslo there are some parts with 3 and 4 on each side. No traffic lights etc.

Speed limits up to: 100km/h

B class: 2 lanes with yellow stripe in the middle. Can be 4 lane, but can have normal crosses. These roads also got bigger lanes than normal roads.

Speed limits up to: 90km/h
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Old October 10th, 2007, 04:37 PM   #77
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We have so bad motorways because all the money has been spent by stupid politicians wanting to build bridges and tunnels in the small places they come from(usually western or northern Norway)
Thats why I hate politicians - THOSE ******* *******S!

Some idiotic politicians from northern Jutland (Denmark) blackmailed the danish paliement to built a 60 km motorway from Ålborg to Hirtshals - an extremely unessecary prestige roject.
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Some idiotic politicians from northern Jutland (Denmark) blackmailed the danish paliement to built a 60 km motorway from Ålborg to Hirtshals - an extremely unessecary prestige roject.
Really? When i drove there, there was quite some traffic. You don't want all those trucks through the existing towns. And motorways are much safer as other roads, so the traffic safety is also an issue perhaps.
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Really? When i drove there, there was quite some traffic. You don't want all those trucks through the existing towns. And motorways are much safer as other roads, so the traffic safety is also an issue perhaps.
In Denmark the amount of traffic must be at least 10.000 vehicles per day to built a new motorway, in Germany its 25.000, and I wonder what it is in Netherlands? I think the amount of traffic is far less than 10.000 vehicles per day on that stretch, which is far from justifying a motorway. There would have been a much cheaper solution IE: "omfartsveje" around the towns in connection with the existing road.
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10.000 is nothing. Connecting roads in neighborhoods can reach that with ease. That's about 8 cars per minute on average, or 3,5 car per minute on a 24 hour basis. I'm sure the E39 reach that.
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