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Old October 17th, 2007, 12:50 AM   #121
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Old October 17th, 2007, 01:09 AM   #122
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Old October 17th, 2007, 09:27 AM   #123
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How many hours did it take you, considering you got stuck?
We didn't drive the whole way in one day. And when I think of it, we didn't drive from Oslo either. We spent two nights near Besseggen, since we walked it, then we spent one night at some friends that lives on the place before Filefjell. The next day, we had planned to drive to Bergen, only to stop in Lærdal, where I have family. But because we stopped for 3-4 hours, we had to spend the night in Voss, before finally driving to Bergen the next day. I think it is possible to drive Oslo-Bergen in 7 hours, if you don't have any stops.

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And a couple of questions about the Lærdalstunnellen: what's the speed limit
I think it is 80km/h.

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But the police has taken many recently even on these roads
I haven't heard about any controlls on the 4 lane highways down here. Most people drive above the speedlimit on E6 towards Gardemoen and E18 in Vestfold. Many people, especially Audi-owners, drive 140-150 easily, and they get angry if you get in their way, even if you drive 120-130..



Btw, here are two photos from the trip back. This is 1/2 hour or so before entering the Lærdaltunnel driving from Bergen.


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Old October 17th, 2007, 12:24 PM   #124
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@Qazaq: amazing pictures! The nature in Norway seems so overwhelmingly beautiful. Damn, I would love to drive there once...

Can you tell us more about the exact locations of the pictures?
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Old October 17th, 2007, 02:15 PM   #125
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There is also the E134 from Oslo to Haugesund, but you have to take a ferry.
you can also use road 50 and 7 to come from Bergen to Oslo. in that case you're even not going too far to north. the other question is what is the condition of that road
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Old October 25th, 2007, 12:22 PM   #126
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@Qazaq: amazing pictures! The nature in Norway seems so overwhelmingly beautiful. Damn, I would love to drive there once...

Can you tell us more about the exact locations of the pictures?
Sorry for my late reply, here is a map and link to some of the photos.


1. Coastal roads, this one going out to Stokkøya island.

2. A normal road if you happend to visit the village of Leksvik, where im currently living!

3. E6 south of Trondheim towards Oslo

4. Road from Ålen to Stuggudal, a road going across some highlands towards the Sylene mountains, only open during summer.

5. E6 between Dovre mountains and the alpine-town of Oppdal.

6. Main road down Sunndalen, from Oppdal to the town of Sunndalsøra.

7. Trollstigen, by far the most famous road in Norway, and a very popular tourist attraction. You should drive here, take "The Golden Rout" which will lead you through Trollstigen, and south to the world's most famous fjord, Geirangerfjorden where you will find roads which is very similar to Trollstigen with great climbs up across mountains etc. Highly recommended!

8. Road up to Juvasshytta. This is actually the highest road in Norway, going up to 1 841m Its only open during summer naturally, as there is a summer skiing restort on a glacier up there. If you want to drive up, expect a temperature difference as the road starts at 500m in the valley, and from there its constant uphill all the way up. A recommended place to go when you first are here!

9. Lærdalstunellen, the world longest tunnel. You might drive through this one if you are going to Bergen.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 05:08 PM   #127
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Sorry for my late reply, here is a map and link to some of the photos.
Doesn't matter. Thanks for your comments anyway!
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Old October 26th, 2007, 03:53 PM   #128
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I can't believe that Norway doesn't spend some of its vast oil wealth on building better roads! Other countries would love to have this at their disposal to improve their infrastructure.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 03:57 PM   #129
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Why when the market is good would they want to do this? Norway has the "oil fund" to tide it over for the future. What better thing to do than to save for a rainy day?

In a global downturn, investment in local infrastructure tends to offset joblessness and help buoy up the local economy so they are very wise to save for now.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #130
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It takes about 10 hours with car from Bergen to Oslo. Same from Oslo to Trondheim and Oslo to Stavanger.

With a bit luck you can drive these distances in 6 hours or so. Some people loves to speedrace over Hardangervidda in the summertime etc. Then it takes shorter time.

Norway roads:
2 way roads without yellow stripe: 40%
2 way roads with yellow stripe in the middle: 30%
2 way highway with yellow stripe in the middle: 10%
4 way expressway: 10%
4 way highway: 10%

E6 for example, is a 2 lane road from Finmark to Trondheim. From Bergen to Oslo it`s only 6% is highway .. From Oslo to Stavanger only 20%, From Oslo to Trondheim 25%

If you want to drive between Stavanger and Bergen and Trondheim etc. Then its no highways at all. Maybe 2% as Bergen and Stavanger got some short 4 lane highways.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 07:03 PM   #131
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Why when the market is good would they want to do this? Norway has the "oil fund" to tide it over for the future. What better thing to do than to save for a rainy day?

In a global downturn, investment in local infrastructure tends to offset joblessness and help buoy up the local economy so they are very wise to save for now.
A good infrastructure is also essential for a good economy, so it would be a very wise investment for Norway to improve roads, rail and other transport infrastructure. The resentment to building motorways is purely ideological and not based on any version of reality.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #132
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The main problem we have in Norway is a labor shortage. With an unemployment rate of 1.8% it's hard for the government to spend extensively on infrastructure without driving up wages and inflation. That is why we're not building more highways despite all our money.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 01:39 PM   #133
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Norway is not a transit country and in that i see the reason why they don't put too much on their motorways
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Old October 28th, 2007, 05:54 PM   #134
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Old October 28th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #135
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 01:12 AM   #136
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It takes about 10 hours with car from Bergen to Oslo. Same from Oslo to Trondheim and Oslo to Stavanger.

With a bit luck you can drive these distances in 6 hours or so. Some people loves to speedrace over Hardangervidda in the summertime etc. Then it takes shorter time.

Norway roads:
2 way roads without yellow stripe: 40%
2 way roads with yellow stripe in the middle: 30%
2 way highway with yellow stripe in the middle: 10%
4 way expressway: 10%
4 way highway: 10%

E6 for example, is a 2 lane road from Finmark to Trondheim. From Bergen to Oslo it`s only 6% is highway .. From Oslo to Stavanger only 20%, From Oslo to Trondheim 25%

If you want to drive between Stavanger and Bergen and Trondheim etc. Then its no highways at all. Maybe 2% as Bergen and Stavanger got some short 4 lane highways.
There is no doubt that Norwegian highways are crap by any standard, but especially when thinking about our GDP and the large need for good infrastructure we have in this 2000 km long country at the edge of the world.

However, Amidelf, you are exaggerating a bit here.

Firstly, you write highway when you probably mean motorway/freeway. (Small English course is given at the end of this message. ) And yes, there is a high way running along the Norwegian coast from Stavanger to Trondheim (E-39), although there are still many ferries and it is very narrow and winding at places.

Secondly, even with my mother in law in the back seat I would not need 10 hours between Oslo and Trondheim, more like 6 hours with mostly legal non-stop driving using the fastest route E6-Rv 3-E6 (Østerdalen). However, only roughly 10 % is actually motorway, with another almost 20 % being expressway. They have just started to upgrade most of the expressway to motorway, though.

To the fundamental question, why Norwegian roads are so bad, and probably will remain bad for years to come, the answer is quite complex, and I will have to wait to give a complete answer to that, but it has a lot to do with priorities, both among politicians and the public. However, it is a misunderstanding that building roads in Norway is particularly expensive. Granted, we do have to dig a lot of tunnels (current length of Norwegian tunnels roughly 850 km I believe) and build a lot of bridges (current total bridge length roughly 450 km?) to build good roads, and the fundations also have to be a lot deeper than further south due to the frost and because water tend to stay close to the surface many places. However, building roads are cheaper at desolate places, and cost per km in Norway is just a little bit over the European average, and much lower than for instance Denmark or UK. On the other hand, we need a lot more km per capita in Norway than those countries.....

Today's norsk-English course:
highway=hovedvei, f. eks. europavei, riksvei eller fylkesvei
freeway/motorway=motorvei (tidligere motorvei klasse A))
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This is how it is!

small road - road with white stripes on the sides. Lots of them in Norway
normal road - normal roads with yellow stripes in the middle
expressway - 4 lane road. Something in between avenue and highway class A. You have them in Oslo. Like Ring 3.
highway class B - normal roads with yellow stripes in the middle, but with highway ramps on and off to the road. no traffic lights etc.
highway class A - 4 lane road. 2 lanes in each direction

then we have:
avenues - 2 or 4 lane roads. With either tram in the middler or just grass. Some sections between Svinesund and Oslo. Have blocks in the middle dividing the road. Makes it impossible to bypass.

There is no highway from Stavanger to Trondheim. Its normal road. Lots of small road parts and as you say ferries.



An International highway sign, found mainly in Europe denoting the start of special motorway restrictions to a section of highway.





This is a typical class B highway. Sometimes it have 2 + 1 lane without divider, other times it got.

A two-lane freeway or two-lane expressway is a freeway or expressway with only one lane in each direction, and usually no median barrier. It may be built that way because of constraints, or may be intended for expansion once traffic volumes rise.

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Man, that's cute!
Never seen Lombard Street in San Francisco?
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 05:51 PM   #139
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By the way, Lombard street looks cool only from that perspective, but if you get to drive it, there will be nothing ordinary (except the slope of the descent/ascent) about it.
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This is how it is!

small road - road with white stripes on the sides. Lots of them in Norway
normal road - normal roads with yellow stripes in the middle
expressway - 4 lane road. Something in between avenue and highway class A. You have them in Oslo. Like Ring 3.
highway class B - normal roads with yellow stripes in the middle, but with highway ramps on and off to the road. no traffic lights etc.
highway class A - 4 lane road. 2 lanes in each direction

then we have:
avenues - 2 or 4 lane roads. With either tram in the middler or just grass. Some sections between Svinesund and Oslo. Have blocks in the middle dividing the road. Makes it impossible to bypass.

There is no highway from Stavanger to Trondheim. Its normal road. Lots of small road parts and as you say ferries.



An International highway sign, found mainly in Europe denoting the start of special motorway restrictions to a section of highway.

<some (mostly Norwegian) highway pictures
This is a typical class B highway. Sometimes it have 2 + 1 lane without divider, other times it got.

A two-lane freeway or two-lane expressway is a freeway or expressway with only one lane in each direction, and usually no median barrier. It may be built that way because of constraints, or may be intended for expansion once traffic volumes rise.
I suggest you consult a dictionary if you do not believe me (after living several years in English-speaking countries) when I say that the word "highway" just means a main road in English, as opposed to your driveway or residential street, and that it could have any standard, gravel even. Or as Merrian-Webster defines it:
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high·way
Pronunciation:
\ˈhī-ˌwā\
Function:
noun
Date:
before 12th century
: a public way; especially : a main direct road
I don't think there were many motorways back in the 12th century. There is by the way nothing called "Motorvei klasse A" or "Motorvei klasse B" anymore, they are called "Motorvei" and "Motortrafikkvei". This was due to the realization that Motorway "class B" was really not a motorway as most countries defines it, but it could pass as expressways. Most of them has a shoulder though, so I am not sure if your last picture is really "motortrafikkvei" or expressroad. The new definitions are quite similar to what you find in Sweden ("Motorväg" and "Motortrafikled" if I am not mistaken). As you point out, there are also some roads, mostly urban, that are not classified as motorways, but which are dual carriage (4 lanes or more with seperated traffic) and motorway-like intersections, like Østre Aker vei, Ring 3, some parts of E-18 and the Vålerenga tunnel road in Oslo, and the E6 going past Trondheim. In most countries these would probably be called motorways, so it would probably be right to call them highways with motorway characteristics.

I think the original meaning of "Avenue" is a road lined with trees. In the English speaking world of today it is however used in street names for any street, usually residential. The word has nothing to do with Norwegian highway standards whatsoever.
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