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Old May 20th, 2011, 01:39 AM   #1381
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Just wondering, what is the point of pre-rusting the crash barriers instead of rust-proofing them ?
I can't even think how miserable this would turn our shiny crashbarrier fetishist
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Old May 20th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #1382
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It's an architectural trend, seen on buildings aswell as on the National tourism routes. Here is one relevant example from a resting area at E6 that i posted in the local forums a while back (oh, and the rust-layer protects the steel very well.):
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Some photos from the new opened Solberg Tower:




The view is.... Omg so boring view from a tower i have never seen....






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Old May 20th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #1383
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Ingeniøren: Thanks for great pictures of roads I know way too well.....
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Ive been driving lodalen Its a wonderful scenery.
Interesting architecture perhaps, but scenery???
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Looks like a moose sign, rather than an elk/reindeer sign to me. Either way though, awesome pics.
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Its a moose yeah, we don't have elk's in Norway!
US mose, UK elk, Norwegian elg: Same animal, different name
US elk, Norwegian hjort: More or less same animal, different name
US elk, UK elk: Same name, different animal.

Both elg (elk or moose), hjort (~elk), as well as deer and reindeer are native animals of Norway, found in fairly large numbers. Elg (moose / elk) clearly constitutes the greatest danger to motorists though, because of their large mass and height.

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Just wondering, what is the point of pre-rusting the crash barriers instead of rust-proofing them ?
I can't even think how miserable this would turn our shiny crashbarrier fetishist
As already Ingeniøren has mentioned, the oxide layer protects against further corrosion. Personally I think it looks quite nice, besides glare from shiny crash barriers can be pretty dangerous here up north with the low sun....
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Old May 21st, 2011, 12:58 AM   #1384
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I don't get the rust-critique. Is this trend only seen in Norway? Everywhere I see pre-rusted elements in different forms, in architecture these days.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 10:30 AM   #1385
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Italy uses it on motorways just like us.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 06:24 PM   #1386
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US mose, UK elk, Norwegian elg: Same animal, different name
US elk, Norwegian hjort: More or less same animal, different name
US elk, UK elk: Same name, different animal.
Like the US, Canada also uses Moose and elk (reindeer) signs and tabs for the respective animals. I just find it confusing to see a sign for one type of animal, with a tab underneath for a different one.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 09:47 PM   #1387
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I just find it confusing to see a sign for one type of animal, with a tab underneath for a different one.
Where?
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 10:46 AM   #1388
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I got something to add.
Deer= Hjort thats what ive learned.
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 02:00 PM   #1389
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Reindeer:
[IMG]http://t3.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRd4p-AO007b0eRezBfVUL_nGWAwns26nq0CcKZKVuVOxbyj1s65Q[/IMG]

Moose:
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 02:50 PM   #1390
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In Norway, we have the following wild mammal warning signs: Moose / elk, reindeer, deer, polar bear (!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Norway

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I got something to add.
Deer= Hjort thats what ive learned.
Strictly speeking, deer is a family of animals, including Moose /European elk, red elk (NA)/ red deer (Europe), roe deer, rein deer, etc.

Moose (N America)=Elk (UK)=Elg (Norwegian)
Red deer= hjort (similar, but not identical to NA red elk)
Roe deer= rådyr
reindeer=rein
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From this discusion we can conclude that using pictograms is a very good idea, so that you always know what animal you are hitting....
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 07:13 PM   #1391
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And there is sheep, cows, ducks, horses, santa...
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 01:45 PM   #1392
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Soft shoulders vs. hard shoulders

Pictures of the new E6 motorway north of Gardermoen without hard shoulders, reminds me of Danish motorways constructed around 1980-1985. For money saving reasons it was decided that motorways should be constructed with reduced standard (E45 Aabenraa-Christiansfeld, Kolding-Skanderborg). The reduced standard included narrow median (3 m), narrow lanes (2x 3,5 m) and soft shoulders (19m in total).

However it was soon experienced that the lack of hard shoulders meant higher risk of accidents, thus hard shoulders were added (widened to 24 m standard), but naturally at a higher cost than if constructed initially.

Over the year standard for new motorways has been gradually increased, and current Danish motorways in open land are now constructed to a 27 m standard (3+0,5+3,75+3,75+0,5+1+2+1+0,5+3,75+3,75+0,5+3)
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:17 AM   #1393
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The governement is using these narrow motorways (minimum 19 m without hard shoulders) for motorways with a 20 year projection AADT of less than 20 k. The motorway speed limit is only 100 km/h. Normally the risk free interest rate is 2 % higher than the inflation, in which case an investment will be be 50 % more expensive today than in 20 years, which is the cause for the Norwegian government's reasoning. The only problem is that:
  • The traffic growth has historically always been higher than the projections
  • Most likely the Norwegian motorway speed limits will be increased and harmonized with our neighbors at some point. Probably, the speed limits on the narrow motorways will then not be increased, which will prompt an earlier widening than expected
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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:33 AM   #1394
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Swedish motorways have those same dimensions with 110km/h limit with narrow shoulder. We had 90km/h limits on those just a couple of years ago. Those with no shoulder only have motortrafficway status and still 90km/h. Sweden has been adding shoulders on roads that opened this decade with no shoulders and 110km/h limit initially, but they also recently increased speed-limit for 4-lane roads with no shoulders (and 1-plane intersections) to 100km/h.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 12:51 PM   #1395
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Video from Rv80 Tverrlandsbrua. Construction start this summer:
http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter...andsbrua/Video

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Old May 26th, 2011, 01:21 PM   #1396
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Preparations on both sides of bridge has already started, although they haven't come far :P
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Old May 26th, 2011, 03:57 PM   #1397
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^ Sounds good, welcome to the forums - you are from Bodø?
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Old May 26th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #1398
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Old May 28th, 2011, 12:44 PM   #1399
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Nice "klatt"
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Swedish motorways have those same dimensions with 110km/h limit with narrow shoulder. We had 90km/h limits on those just a couple of years ago. Those with no shoulder only have motortrafficway status and still 90km/h. Sweden has been adding shoulders on roads that opened this decade with no shoulders and 110km/h limit initially, but they also recently increased speed-limit for 4-lane roads with no shoulders (and 1-plane intersections) to 100km/h.
This is not entirely correct. In Norway, the 19 m standard with narrow shoulders are classified as motorway with 100 km/h max speed.

S8: 12 000< ADT < 20 000, 100 km/h, motorway

This is the standard of the northern strech of E6 that you showed above.

The Rv 2 you showed is 16.5 m wide, and is actually not following any current standard, but is more or less identical to a two-way passing lane section of a motor traffic road / expressway, with 90 km/h:


S5: 8 000 < ADT < 12 000, 90 km/h, expressway (motortrafikkvei)

Passing lane for S5

Passing lanes in both directions for S5
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Old May 28th, 2011, 01:13 PM   #1400
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The Kvu for E39 Stavanger - Kristiansand is ready, conclusion is:


Ålgård - Vigeland motortraficway 2(3) lanes.
Vigeland - Kristiansand motorway 4 lanes
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