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Old November 8th, 2011, 04:57 AM   #1601
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I looked up the Norwegian national transportation plans for the period 2010-2019 (http://www.ntp.dep.no/2010-2019/pdf/...opploselig.pdf). It's in Norwegian, so it's not that accessible to everyone. It contains plans for sea-, air-, and road transportation.

A quote from the summary of the report:


Basic translation is: The efforts for roads will primarily be aimed at small improvements, safety, public transport, bicycles and rest areas for trucks. These kinds of measurements are the most cost effective. These priorities mean that the total budget for new investments will be low. Instead, money already reserved for large investments will be used to finish off projects already mentioned in the plans for 2006-2009.

Don't expect any large motorway projects in the coming 10 years in Norway...
Map of road-projects on national roads in souther norway for the period 2010-19:
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Old November 8th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #1602
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4 years and only 43 km......this is a joke
In The Netherlands a 7 km stretch of highway is finally being built after 50 years (NO typo!) of talking. Please stop complaining
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Old November 9th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #1603
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Actually it's 2007-2014 (7 years) for the whole stretch of 65 km + some 17 km of dual-track railroad. Planning is not included in that calculation.

A video from the opening can be seen on The Ministry of Transportation website: sd.dep.no
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Old November 9th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #1604
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Jan Mayen road

Olonkinbyen, the only village in the island, where 18 persons live




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Old November 9th, 2011, 03:12 AM   #1605
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Jan Mayen road

Olonkinbyen, the only village in the island, where 18 persons live




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Wow, this is so cool.. I could probably live in this place.

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Old November 9th, 2011, 05:14 AM   #1606
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Here's a "test drive" of the new E 6 motorway Dal-Minnesund. It's a video from a local newspaper. It starts just before the new (and widened) Minnesund bridge and covers almost the entire length of the new road. Southbound only, and expect some fog.

http://www.rb.no/bil/article5798922.ece (in Norwegian)
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Old November 9th, 2011, 02:10 PM   #1607
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As usual these days in Norway and Sweden, the shoulders looks very narrow. Is it even 18,5m wide?
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Old November 9th, 2011, 03:28 PM   #1608
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19m wide road, class s8.

1,5m outer shoulders
3,5m lanes
0,5 m inner shoulders
1m divider

Good news: Vegvesen has also increased concrete section of E6 further south to 100km/h.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 05:43 PM   #1609
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19m wide road, class s8.

1,5m outer shoulders
3,5m lanes
0,5 m inner shoulders
1m divider

Good news: Vegvesen has also increased concrete section of E6 further south to 100km/h.
AFAIK, the profile is 21 m wide. That is at least what whas stated when construction began, since that allowed for 2 m shoulders. The PAVED shoulder width is probably 1 m, though.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 06:04 PM   #1610
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It looks very similar to the new E4 Hudiksvall in Sweden which ended up getting the classification motortrafikled (motortrafikvei).
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Old November 9th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #1611
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It looks very similar to the new E4 Hudiksvall in Sweden which ended up getting the classification motortrafikled (motortrafikvei).
It is somewhat wider and there are proper acceleration and deceleration lanes. Thus, a motorway by definition. In my book, a few metres too narrow, though.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 06:34 PM   #1612
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Paved shoulders on new swedish motorways are usually 2 m wide. The E4 between S÷derhamn and Hudiksvall has basically no paved shoulder.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 12:13 AM   #1613
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Layout for registrered vehicles not accessing public roads. Including tractors, snowmobiles, harbour and airport vehicles, do not pay road tax and lack registration tag. Reason why these plates are in Svalbard is the road system is private. Zn is the area code.
I think the keyword here is tax rather than private road system. Svalbard is exempt from a lot of mainland taxes.
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Map of road-projects on national roads in souther norway for the period 2010-19:
The way the Norwegian system works, this is more like a dream than a plan, and only a fraction of the projects are currently formally approved and financed. Very few of the "fantacy projects" are new motorways, however.

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19m wide road, class s8.

1,5m outer shoulders
3,5m lanes
0,5 m inner shoulders
1m divider

Good news: Vegvesen has also increased concrete section of E6 further south to 100km/h.
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AFAIK, the profile is 21 m wide. That is at least what whas stated when construction began, since that allowed for 2 m shoulders. The PAVED shoulder width is probably 1 m, though.
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It is somewhat wider and there are proper acceleration and deceleration lanes. Thus, a motorway by definition. In my book, a few metres too narrow, though.
Yeah, the first motorways and Autobahns of the world indeed had no shoulder. According to vegvesenets pages of the project, the paved width of the outer shoulder is only 0.75 m, wheras the total width of the outer shoulder varies between 1.5 and 2 m. The standard allows for a median that is significantly wider than 1 m though, and on the previously opened stretch further north (south of Kolomoen) the median is actually very wide on some places. In any case, they should have made the paved width much larger.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 12:17 AM   #1614
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What's up with these discount motorways? A shoulder of 2 meters? I call that substandard at any time. A truck can't even park there, so is in case of a breakdown always blocking a part of the right lane. A shoulder should be at least 3 - 3.5 meters in my opinion.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 02:26 AM   #1615
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Welcome to Norway. Shoulders on motorways? 1,5m. Maybe 3m, but not continuous. 3,5m? A mistake by the builders. Politicians honestly don't have a clue about road infrastructure. Some even say that these roads are sort of showing off, like we would use those extra meters of shoulders to put oil barrels on just to show the world how rich we are.

Luckily, sometimes those who design the roads push the limits and make room for some extension of the shoulders in the future.

If only the politicians went on road seminars in England, or any other country that takes the purpose of motorways, the design speed, the high-speed ramps and junctions, and the meaning of hard shoulders seriously. Instead, we have ramps with hard corners and bus stops on them. No real hard shoulder, so when theres a serious accident, the police, ambulance and tow truck has to plough itself through the cue, or go against the traffic. And of course no where to pull over if you have a breakdown, so you'll create miles of cue just because of a flat tire.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 07:31 AM   #1616
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As far as i understand they are planning min 22m motorway roads and 3m shoulders mostly where traffic numbers will reach >20k within 20 years. How big is the traffic on this road?

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Old November 10th, 2011, 07:48 AM   #1617
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The way the Norwegian system works, this is more like a dream than a plan, and only a fraction of the projects are currently formally approved and financed. Very few of the "fantacy projects" are new motorways, however.
Well thats because this is a plan from 2010-1019 and we are now just in 2011.
At least i know that most of those projects in "solid black" (2010-2013) in Hordaland have started up or are about to.

Most of those projects in grey are under planning and are thus not finally approved or financed allready. But the planning has started with the sight of startup between 2014-19. This allso of course depends if various municipals around the country can finish the planning on time and not just the government.
For instance Bergen just started the regulation work on Nyborgtunnelen (E 39 Nyborg-Klauvaneset) with the goal of startup in 2014.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:01 AM   #1618
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What's up with these discount motorways? A shoulder of 2 meters? I call that substandard at any time. A truck can't even park there, so is in case of a breakdown always blocking a part of the right lane. A shoulder should be at least 3 - 3.5 meters in my opinion.
Money talks.

Those few cases in Finland show that a narrow motorway is more than 20% cheaper to build than a full-scale one. On urban areas, the difference would be less, because the higher exit density dominates the costs.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 11:10 AM   #1619
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It looks very similar to the new E4 Hudiksvall in Sweden which ended up getting the classification motortrafikled (motortrafikvei).
New 2+2 section of E4 near Huddiksvall has 0,5m wide outer shoulders.



Seems a bit random to me what roads are signed motorway and not, such as Rv580 in Bergen and E16 in BŠrum that appears to be motorways - but are not.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:19 PM   #1620
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I believe E 16 will be signed as motorway when either ends are done. Motorways are not supposed to be shorter than 5 km, this might be the reason. The opened part is about 4 km.
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