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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:46 PM   #1681
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It's also nonsense since you NEVER make a left turn on a roundabout except if you're driving it the wrong way.
My point exactly. The problem is the drivers, not the concept of non-left signalling in a roundabout, since you're actually always going right... Still, sometimes the interpretation of the traffic regulations need to be somewhat pragmatic, as the alternative doesn't help traffic flow.

I must admit that I rarely signal left. I always signal right when exiting the roundabout, though, and even tired in the morning rush hour, everyone adhering to the correct interpretation of driver lane discipline will avoid hitting yours truly...
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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #1682
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What do you mean ???
The roundabout is unidirectional. You go right when you enter it and you go right when you exit it. Unless you're in the UK or Ireland, of course...
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Old December 6th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #1683
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Ahhhh ! Then you both mean a direct left-turn on the roundabout Capisco !
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #1684
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Yes, but you signal to the right as you will be leaving the roundabout to the right. Not to the left. That's only confusing and counter the otherwise easy to read layouts of roundabout.
There might be a misunderstanding here. I never said you don't signal right. On the contrary, you should always signal right. Once you pass the exit before the one you want, you start too signal right.

I've already said my reasoning as to why I think that is a good idea, a few posts back. No need to rehash it out here.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #1685
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Then I suggest you should do something to get more familiar with your own car. It should be no problem knowing the placement of your own car on the road.
I appreciate the advice, but I think I am pretty secure in knowing my car. :-) I've driven cars for a living, driving about 100,000M (160,000km) all over California, Arizona, and England, not to mention driving for pleasure all over North America and Western Europe. I've observed the way people drive in several countries, and can see weaknesses and strengths in cultural driving habits. Norwegians are no exception. Don't worry though, Norwegians are near the top of the list for good drivers except for a couple areas, and roundabouts are one of them. :-)

You should get used to seeing more cars on the road signalling left at roundabouts, driving schools are now teaching that to their students. So, in a 3 or 4 decades, everyone should be doing it. :-) Not sure if it is Norwegian driving law yet(if so, they don't enforce it), but maybe soon.

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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #1686
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Because
a: It's distracting. Blinking lights are. You shouldn't use it more than necessarily. People only expect other drivers to signal to the right on roundabout.

b: People who are already in the roundabout could think the guy who are signaling to left have misunderstood the concept with roundabouts, and is about to enter it to the left driving against the traffic flow. It's not too uncommon with people who do this at freeways, roundabouts or in one way streets.

c: There way be more than one exists located to the left of where you are entering the roundabout, and it can therefore be hard to understand which one of them you mean. It's therefore a bad habit. If you instead are correctly signaling to the right when you are about to exist the roundabout then people will now that you will leave at first available exist.
Are you saying that the countries that teach and practice the signalling left at roundabouts are all distracting each other? :-) I somehow doubt it. :-)
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:11 PM   #1687
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It's not nonsense, since, if I come from another intersecting point, I can see if the car in the roundabout will continue inside (doing left) so I will wait for him to pass, or will exit (doing right) and then I can enter it.
Exactly, my point exactly! That is what I was trying to explain(rather poorly most likely) some posts back.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 11:32 PM   #1688
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But seeing that he isn't blinking right, can't you assume he's going to continue round the roundabout...? I mean, where else is he going to go?
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Old December 7th, 2011, 01:02 AM   #1689
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When you're taking the blue line, you should sign to the left. Until exiting, than you sign right.
When you're taking the yellow line, you should sign to the right.

This is how we have to dot it in The Netherlands.
This is exactly how we do in Poland too...
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Old December 7th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #1690
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driving schools are now teaching that to their students.
My driving teacher tolled me i should always signal left if the round-about was less than 25 meters in diameter.. This was 7 years ago.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #1691
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I never heard such from my teacher, and this was 5 (1/2) years ago. Never blinked left in my life either. IMO people not signaling in ordinary T-intersections is a much bigger problem for traffic flow.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #1692
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But seeing that he isn't blinking right, can't you assume he's going to continue round the roundabout...? I mean, where else is he going to go?
In Romania there are also many drivers who don't blink at all, even when changing lanes, and also in roundabouts not signaling right, but going right...
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Old December 9th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #1693
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New type of at-grade animal crossing opened on Rv7, sensors will set of flashing lights as animals approach the crossing:


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Old December 9th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #1694
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That's a coincidence. I was watching a video last night of the Overijssel province in the Netherlands who wants to install the exact same system here.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #1695
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New type of at-grade animal crossing opened on Rv7, sensors will set of flashing lights as animals approach the crossing:
Does that work?

There have been several attempts to make a similar concept working in Finland, all failing. It is a hard job to make the sensors reacting to the big animals and only to them. If the system gives too much false positives and false negatives, it is worth nothing.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #1696
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New type of at-grade animal crossing opened on Rv7, sensors will set of flashing lights as animals approach the crossing:


http://www.vegvesen.no/Om+Statens+ve...Vis?key=288441
Any more pics of that, or a dash cam vid? I can't imagine that being used on a main route, though much of Norway has a low (to me anyway) traffic volume.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 03:07 AM   #1697
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Any more pics of that, or a dash cam vid? I can't imagine that being used on a main route, though much of Norway has a low (to me anyway) traffic volume.
My guess is that budget is too tight to build a proper grade separated wildlife crossing in relation to the traffic amount.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #1698
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Fv659 Nord°yvegen

Construction is expected to start next year on a road 1800 million kroner project including 3 bridge/filling crossings and 3 sub-sea tunnels to link the islands with 3200 inhabitants located north of ┼lesund, total length including widening of existing road is 37km. 5 ferry-lines will be closed when the road opens in 2016.





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Old December 13th, 2011, 10:58 PM   #1699
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Wondering who will pay for this project ..?
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Not the inhabitans of Steinsmark, but I suspect the ┼lesund-area will pay with another 2000 cars on their local roads every day.

And I won't even remove the ferrys completely!!!
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