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Old December 14th, 2011, 07:46 AM   #1701
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Good road mapping to covering all area with one way
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Old December 14th, 2011, 11:28 AM   #1702
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Strange signing in Robsrudkrysset where Rv159 meets Rv163 and E6:

Westbound exit, also used for Rv159 to E6 - no road number for Rv163 and destinations are Økern (ok - but not signed again untill after Stovner.) and Grorud....


Eastbound exit uses Høybråten as the only destination on Rv163, once you left the motorway, and again no road number:


At the ramps appear signs for road 163 and Stovner is consistently used as the destination from here - neither Høybråten, Grorud or Økern is signed for a while following the road, after passing Stovner - Økern and Sentrum is used. Never mind the white number in brackets, it's been replaced by a green for some time now:

Altering of Hamar and Trondheim as a destination on E6 is also quite stupid - but atleast there's a road number...
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Old December 14th, 2011, 12:18 PM   #1703
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Altering of Hamar and Trondheim as a destination on E6 is also quite stupid - but atleast there's a road number...
The Norwegian signage is a stochastic process.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 01:04 AM   #1704
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Wouldn't it be logic if the blue signs had the most distant destination?
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Old December 15th, 2011, 02:17 PM   #1705
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Most important is to use the same destinations continously, usually there are important destination signed in important intersections and local destinations signed in less important, for example E18 is signed towards Stockholm in Oslo, but Askim or Ørje in Østfold. E6 signs should point towards Trondheim+Gardermoen, Rv163 signs should point towards Økern.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #1706
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Not the inhabitans of Steinsmark, but I suspect the Ålesund-area will pay with another 2000 cars on their local roads every day.

And I won't even remove the ferrys completely!!!
I've been told 3200 is the summer population, so this is really just a very expensive road for access to hyttas.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 01:12 PM   #1707
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You rather trust some rumour than the official documents? Those are registred residents with adresses on these islands in the state archives. It's calculated aadt for traffic to mainland at 700 when opening and 1000 after downpayment finished....
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Old December 16th, 2011, 02:44 PM   #1708
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IMHO on Dalsfjord bridge 523m, Norway

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...12&postcount=1

The Norway Fjords are very precious historical landmarks.
So IMHO never should happen a ruining act like this.
'Course the highway network should be being expanded and ... expanded.
But in cases like this, IMHO the only solution which can be is a massive tunnel system.
Only to keep the historical landmarks untouched.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 03:14 PM   #1709
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The Norway Fjords are very precious historical landmarks.
So IMHO never should happen a ruining act like this.
'Course the highway network should be being expanded and ... expanded.
But in cases like this, IMHO the only solution which can be is a massive tunnel system.
Only to keep the historical landmarks untouched.
What is particularly special in Dalsfjord compared to the hundreds of other fjords in Norway?
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Old December 16th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #1710
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I honestly wrote "The Norway Fjords".
Dalsfjord came up for an instance.
hence I mean my states to be applied to all Norway Fjords.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #1711
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I honestly wrote "The Norway Fjords".
Dalsfjord came up for an instance.
hence I mean my states to be applied to all Norway Fjords.
So, the clock shall be stopped on the whole west coast of Norway?
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Old December 16th, 2011, 09:43 PM   #1712
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You rather trust some rumour than the official documents? Those are registred residents with adresses on these islands in the state archives. It's calculated aadt for traffic to mainland at 700 when opening and 1000 after downpayment finished....
I know someone with a hytta at Brunvoll, he's amazed at this plan since most of the houses on Haroy are holiday homes.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 10:34 PM   #1713
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Video from the new Rv7 expressway under construction, Sokna - Ørgenvika:

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Old December 18th, 2011, 08:41 PM   #1714
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I know someone with a hytta at Brunvoll, he's amazed at this plan since most of the houses on Haroy are holiday homes.

completely unnecessary use of people's money
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Old December 21st, 2011, 12:41 AM   #1715
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New sign that will be used on motorway exits from January 1st:



It's design is inspired by "the Austrian hand". They hope this sign will make it easier for old and/or stressed out drivers to not make the mistake of driving on the wrong ramp. (the road authorities refere to them as the "KMK"s, -kjøring mot kjøreretning (driving against driving direction), and has counted 15 KMK's leading to accidents, killing 5, seriously injuring 7 and hurting 19 people in the period of 2002-2009)


There are some other changes in the roadsign-system as well. One of them is this new sign, meaning "traffic accident":


I'm sorry, but the tipped over car really gets me!
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Old December 21st, 2011, 06:56 AM   #1716
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New sign that will be used on motorway exits from January 1st:


No snuffing on Norwegian motorways?
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:38 PM   #1717
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It's design is inspired by "the Austrian hand". They hope this sign will make it easier for old and/or stressed out drivers to not make the mistake of driving on the wrong ramp. (the road authorities refere to them as the "KMK"s, -kjøring mot kjøreretning (driving against driving direction), and has counted 15 KMK's leading to accidents, killing 5, seriously injuring 7 and hurting 19 people in the period of 2002-2009)


There are some other changes in the roadsign-system as well. One of them is this new sign, meaning "traffic accident":

I'm sorry, but the tipped over car really gets me!
We simply use the familiar "Do Not Enter" sign and a little further down, a red sign with the words 'WRONG WAY"

Google Streetview:
http://maps.google.ca/?ll=50.654219,...,62.65,,2,1.34

And the wrong way sign:
http://maps.google.ca/?ll=50.654341,...112.15,,2,2.25

What? A sign that says: ACCIDENT SCENE in Norwegian not good enough? Even the car silhouette looks embarrassed.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 01:28 AM   #1718
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Yep, that's what we use today: http://maps.google.ca/?ll=59.662633,...2,,0,5.11&z=15
I guess this sign will replace that one..

About textual signs, I guess you know these are far more common in North America than Europe, as you are much more likely to have drivers not knowing the local language here. For warning signs, text only is pretty much out of the question. Norwegian motorways are usually flooded with Poles, Rumanians, Bulgarians, Portoguese etc. with limitid knowledge in local traffic rules. An alternative could be English signs, but I really don't see that happening either.
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Old December 26th, 2011, 05:53 AM   #1719
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Will there be any new motorway or motortrafikkvei stretches opening next year?
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Old December 26th, 2011, 05:11 PM   #1720
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The only major project opening in 2012 is as far as I know E 18 Sky (Larvik) - Langangen (Porsgrunn) (11 km motorway) next fall.

Otherwise I don't know of any projects.
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