[N] Roads in Norway • Veier i Norge - Page 87

Ingenioren · January 4th, 2012, 09:49 PM

Some updates of E18 motorway between Larvik and Porsgrunn:

http://redir.opoint.com/?key=V9bLgEdJE1WlBjuY6XT4

devo · January 8th, 2012, 05:57 PM

This looks very nice, I'm looking forward to the opening on May 15th. Or, they said it was on schedule, but not what date, som I'm assuming it's that date

ElviS77 · January 9th, 2012, 06:13 PM

It's been snowing a wee bit in Oslo... It shouldn't really be that much of an issue - but it inevitably is, even without foreign lorries without proper winter equipment.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...--6737844.html

In Norwegian, but the main idea is that traffic flow on the E6 southbound was severly hampered by a few lorries. I don't mind foreign truckers at all, but it's really important to be prepared when driving in wintertime in Norway. Not all are, unfortunately. I spent almost two hours driving a distance that even in severe rush hour congestion would take 30-40 mins.

Grauthue · January 9th, 2012, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElviS77

It's been snowing a wee bit in Oslo... It shouldn't really be that much of an issue - but it inevitably is, even without foreign lorries without proper winter equipment.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...--6737844.html

In Norwegian, but the main idea is that traffic flow on the E6 southbound was severly hampered by a few lorries. I don't mind foreign truckers at all, but it's really important to be prepared when driving in wintertime in Norway. Not all are, unfortunately. I spent almost two hours driving a distance that even in severe rush hour congestion would take 30-40 mins.

No shit. I'm just back from work. Spent 2 hours on a trip which takes 13 minutes in the summer with no queues. Took me about half an hour just to get through Sinsenkrysset.

Dan · January 9th, 2012, 08:24 PM

any list of the 2012 motorway projects that will be happening this year?

ElviS77 · January 9th, 2012, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan

any list of the 2012 motorway projects that will be happening this year?

I think only the abovementioned E18 section will open in 2012, but I may be mistaken.

Schweden · January 9th, 2012, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElviS77

I think only the abovementioned E18 section will open in 2012, but I may be mistaken.

Quite sad that there isn't much improvement in Norway's infrastructure. I just don't get it, high taxes, enormous capital (oil) and on top of that, tolls. Should be all that's needed for good roads - even with "difficult terrain". The few motorways in Norway are of good quality though - but you can only drive at 100 km/h.

Is the political opposition in Norway demanding better infrastructure? A change is needed.

Grauthue · January 9th, 2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schweden

Quite sad that there isn't much improvement in Norway's infrastructure. I just don't get it, high taxes, enormous capital (oil) and on top of that, tolls. Should be all that's needed for good roads - even with "difficult terrain". The few motorways in Norway are of good quality though - but you can only drive at 100 km/h.

Is the political opposition in Norway demanding better infrastructure? A change is needed.

Well, truth of the matter is that people like to complain (that includes me). We like to bitch about how bad the norwegian roads are (which is true). But it is also true that the pace after year 2000 has been better when it comes to road construction. Not a revolution, but for 2012 Norway is planning to spend about twice as much money per capita for road investments as Sweden according to road tzar Terje Moe Gustavsen.

(Sweden probably gets a good bit more for the money they spend though).

Schweden · January 9th, 2012, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grauthue

Well, truth of the matter is that people like to complain (that includes me). We like to bitch about how bad the norwegian roads are (which is true). But it is also true that the pace after year 2000 has been better when it comes to road construction. Not a revolution, but for 2012 Norway is planning to spend about twice as much money per capita for road investments as Sweden according to road tzar Terje Moe Gustavsen.

(Sweden probably gets a good bit more for the money they spend though).

Great read! Although this kinda proves my point:

Quote:

Bompenger betaler omtrent halvparten av ny veibygging i Norge.

What Norweigan politicians fails to realise is the connection between good infrastructure and economic growth. If you invest money from your oil funds in building proper infrastructure, these projects will generate money in the end.

IceCheese · January 10th, 2012, 06:49 PM

Local newspaper Østlandets blad seems pretty convinced that a new tunnel beside the old one, is the only real option to get heavy traffic back in the Oslofjord tunnel (Rv23). According to various sources, they seem to think construction may start already in a couple of years, with an estimated construction period of ~5 years.

Link to article: http://www.oblad.no/badebyen/vil-byg...elen-1.6707423

devo · January 10th, 2012, 06:54 PM

Just saw that. Seems crazy that this might be "just" five years away. Should've been built like that in the first place though. Also, it should be motorway all the way to Drammen.

Ingenioren · January 10th, 2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceCheese

estimated construction period of ~5 years.

Construction period 2014-2017 - just to be clear...

KiwiRob · January 10th, 2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schweden

Quite sad that there isn't much improvement in Norway's infrastructure. I just don't get it, high taxes, enormous capital (oil) and on top of that, tolls. Should be all that's needed for good roads - even with "difficult terrain". The few motorways in Norway are of good quality though - but you can only drive at 100 km/h.

Is the political opposition in Norway demanding better infrastructure? A change is needed.

No the situation is the average Norwegian just accepts that this is the state of affairs and believe that things will never change, they also never complain about it.

KiwiRob · January 10th, 2012, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grauthue

Well, truth of the matter is that people like to complain (that includes me). We like to bitch about how bad the norwegian roads are (which is true). But it is also true that the pace after year 2000 has been better when it comes to road construction. Not a revolution, but for 2012 Norway is planning to spend about twice as much money per capita for road investments as Sweden according to road tzar Terje Moe Gustavsen.

(Sweden probably gets a good bit more for the money they spend though).

Really I've been living here for 6 years now, Norwegians may complain at home but they don't make enough noise for the govt to listen.

IceCheese · January 13th, 2012, 02:56 AM

A route has been chosen for E18 Vinterbro - Akershus border, which is the second last part of E18 Vinterbro - Swedish border. The road will be built at full motorway standard, following alternative 3A4. This video illustrate the alternative:

The route includes two short tunnels, and new exits to Ås and Kråkstad.

When they will actually start building, is a more uncertain point, but they may start already 2014, if someone come over some money.

JeremyCastle · January 20th, 2012, 04:09 PM

So, I went over to a car mechanic shop today to get a quote on an oil change, and they quoted me NOK 1000! That's £109 or $168.00. Freaking unbelievable!

That is almost 4 and half times the price I would pay my local mechanic to do it in the UK, and 6-8 times more than what I would pay back in California!

I managed a polite "thank you" to the gentleman wielding the calculator and whispered to one of the customers, who was helping me with some translation "I think I might just do it myself." She smiled.

I thought they would charge somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-500 for an oil change, but 1000??? Really??? REALLY????? Is that a normal price, or is this a Norwegian reality I simply must get used too?

Maybe I should do it myself. I'm pretty sure I can buy an oil filter, oil, oil filter remover, and an oil catcher can for much less than that. All I need to do is find a place who will take the used oil. :-/

***ChrisZwolle*** · January 20th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Doesn't sound too weird to me. Motor oil in the Netherlands can easily cost more than € 10 per liter, so if your car requires 5 or 6 liters, that's € 60 - 70 + filters + old oil removal tax + salary, so just over € 100 is not that weird considering a Norwegian mechanic probably has the highest salary in the world.

SeanT · January 20th, 2012, 04:40 PM

The same in Denmark. I always do it myself. I buy oil (4 l) around 400 ( midprice) filter 100 (original) dkk. It takes 30 min. , no stress! Than I can take the used oil and deliver it a nearby station for renovation (2 km) for free! If the price was like dkk 600, -, I wouldn't bother!

ElviS77 · January 20th, 2012, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle

Doesn't sound too weird to me. Motor oil in the Netherlands can easily cost more than € 10 per liter, so if your car requires 5 or 6 liters, that's € 60 - 70 + filters + old oil removal tax + salary, so just over € 100 is not that weird considering a Norwegian mechanic probably has the highest salary in the world.

True. Decent motor oil isn't cheap, mechanics aren't either up here.

JeremyCastle · January 20th, 2012, 05:20 PM

Well, I guess it's off to Biltema/Bilxtra/mekonomen then... Sigh.

Actually, I just remembered that I brought an oil filter with me from the UK for such a time as this. Next time I go to the UK, might just have to bring back a few more with me.

I wonder how much tax revenue the Norwegian government loses for having prices/taxes too high so people end up bringing stuff up from other countries? But that is a topic for another thread on another board. :-)

January 4th, 2012, 09:49 PM	#1721
Ingenioren Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 4,996 Likes (Received): 19	Some updates of E18 motorway between Larvik and Porsgrunn: http://redir.opoint.com/?key=V9bLgEdJE1WlBjuY6XT4 __________________ I want to see some construction!

January 10th, 2012, 06:49 PM	#1730
IceCheese Scandi-friendly Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oslo.no Posts: 5,985 Likes (Received): 89	Local newspaper Østlandets blad seems pretty convinced that a new tunnel beside the old one, is the only real option to get heavy traffic back in the Oslofjord tunnel (Rv23). According to various sources, they seem to think construction may start already in a couple of years, with an estimated construction period of ~5 years. Link to article: http://www.oblad.no/badebyen/vil-byg...elen-1.6707423 __________________ Oslo/Copenhagen - The True Capital of Scandinavia. Take a look at my Photo Mess!

January 13th, 2012, 02:56 AM	#1735
IceCheese Scandi-friendly Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oslo.no Posts: 5,985 Likes (Received): 89	A route has been chosen for E18 Vinterbro - Akershus border, which is the second last part of E18 Vinterbro - Swedish border. The road will be built at full motorway standard, following alternative 3A4. This video illustrate the alternative: The route includes two short tunnels, and new exits to Ås and Kråkstad. When they will actually start building, is a more uncertain point, but they may start already 2014, if someone come over some money. __________________ Oslo/Copenhagen - The True Capital of Scandinavia. Take a look at my Photo Mess!

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*ChrisZwolle* Road user Join Date: May 2006 Location: Zwolle Posts: 28,790 Likes (Received): 460	Doesn't sound too weird to me. Motor oil in the Netherlands can easily cost more than € 10 per liter, so if your car requires 5 or 6 liters, that's € 60 - 70 + filters + old oil removal tax + salary, so just over € 100 is not that weird considering a Norwegian mechanic probably has the highest salary in the world. __________________ Visit the Highways & Autobahns section! my clinched highways • highway pictures @ Flickr and Youtube

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January 8th, 2012, 05:57 PM	#1722
devo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 81 Likes (Received): 0	This looks very nice, I'm looking forward to the opening on May 15th. Or, they said it was on schedule, but not what date, som I'm assuming it's that date

January 9th, 2012, 06:13 PM	#1723
ElviS77 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 434 Likes (Received): 2	It's been snowing a wee bit in Oslo... It shouldn't really be that much of an issue - but it inevitably is, even without foreign lorries without proper winter equipment. http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...--6737844.html In Norwegian, but the main idea is that traffic flow on the E6 southbound was severly hampered by a few lorries. I don't mind foreign truckers at all, but it's really important to be prepared when driving in wintertime in Norway. Not all are, unfortunately. I spent almost two hours driving a distance that even in severe rush hour congestion would take 30-40 mins.

January 9th, 2012, 08:24 PM	#1725
Dan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scotland / Ireland Posts: 1,244 Likes (Received): 0	any list of the 2012 motorway projects that will be happening this year?

January 10th, 2012, 06:54 PM	#1731
devo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 81 Likes (Received): 0	Just saw that. Seems crazy that this might be "just" five years away. Should've been built like that in the first place though. Also, it should be motorway all the way to Drammen.

January 20th, 2012, 04:09 PM	#1736
JeremyCastle Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 165 Likes (Received): 0	So, I went over to a car mechanic shop today to get a quote on an oil change, and they quoted me NOK 1000! That's £109 or $168.00. Freaking unbelievable! That is almost 4 and half times the price I would pay my local mechanic to do it in the UK, and 6-8 times more than what I would pay back in California! I managed a polite "thank you" to the gentleman wielding the calculator and whispered to one of the customers, who was helping me with some translation "I think I might just do it myself." She smiled. I thought they would charge somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-500 for an oil change, but 1000??? Really??? REALLY????? Is that a normal price, or is this a Norwegian reality I simply must get used too? Maybe I should do it myself. I'm pretty sure I can buy an oil filter, oil, oil filter remover, and an oil catcher can for much less than that. All I need to do is find a place who will take the used oil. :-/

January 20th, 2012, 04:40 PM	#1738
SeanT DK/H Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: DK-Bjæverskov Posts: 624 Likes (Received): 3	The same in Denmark. I always do it myself. I buy oil (4 l) around 400 ( midprice) filter 100 (original) dkk. It takes 30 min. , no stress! Than I can take the used oil and deliver it a nearby station for renovation (2 km) for free! If the price was like dkk 600, -, I wouldn't bother!

January 20th, 2012, 05:20 PM	#1740
JeremyCastle Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 165 Likes (Received): 0	Well, I guess it's off to Biltema/Bilxtra/mekonomen then... Sigh. Actually, I just remembered that I brought an oil filter with me from the UK for such a time as this. Next time I go to the UK, might just have to bring back a few more with me. I wonder how much tax revenue the Norwegian government loses for having prices/taxes too high so people end up bringing stuff up from other countries? But that is a topic for another thread on another board. :-)