[N] Roads in Norway • Veier i Norge

[MattiG]

Originally Posted by italystf

Since they can't ban trucks regarding their nationality, they can ban trucks that don't meet certain safety standards (like chains or winter tyres in winter) and close small roads to heavy vehicles.

That particular incident happened at the road 78, if I understood correctly, thus being a part of the main road network. Many main roads in Norway are challenging even in the summer conditions but you cannot block those, of course.

[treichard]

Recently, Norway and Sweden agreed to reroute E16 so that it would turn east toward Sweden instead of reaching Oslo as it has for years. Has Norway signed the new E16 so that motorists can follow it by signs, or are there still issues to resolve before the relocation occurs?

[devo]

The signing is supposed to be finished this year, but there are no issues less than actually putting the signs up, as far as I understand. What I do not understand though, is why they will leave the part from Hønefoss to Sandvika as E 16. It is by any standards far to long to be called a "spur". Also, they could just call it Riksvei/Fylkesvei 7 and be done with it. We just got rid of the stupid dual-E 6 business in Trondheim so this one I really don't get...

[IceCheese]

Perhaps they had to do it to make Oslo a signed destination? I don't know the E-route rules, though...

[MattiG]

Originally Posted by devo

The signing is supposed to be finished this year, but there are no issues less than actually putting the signs up, as far as I understand. What I do not understand though, is why they will leave the part from Hønefoss to Sandvika as E 16. It is by any standards far to long to be called a "spur". Also, they could just call it Riksvei/Fylkesvei 7 and be done with it. We just got rid of the stupid dual-E 6 business in Trondheim so this one I really don't get...

Without that kludge it would be difficult to justify E16 being The Road connecting the two largest cities in Norway.

In my opinion, the whole system of E roads should be ramped down. It does not add much value any more, but it makes things complex because every single member country implements it differently. Why should the United Nations bother about numbering the European roads.

[Ingenioren]

Rv13 Ryfast

Plans for Ryfast has been approved by the government, so we are set to start construction this fall on the two twin-tube sub-sea tunnels. The 5,7km long Hundvåg tunnel will ramp of from a new E39 tunnel under central Stavanger, then the road runs trough a surface round-about before the 14,3km long Solbakk tunnel that reaches 290 meters below sea-level (longest and deepest sub-sea car tunnel). Construction cost is 690 million euro and the states share is 0%. Tolls for cars are expected at 32 euro for Solbakk tunnel and 3,7 euro for Hundvåg tunnel.

Opening is scheduled for 2018.



http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/sd/...html?id=682020
http://www.vegvesen.no/_attachment/63332/binary/18254

[ChrisZwolle]

Yowtzha that's an impressive project. The tolls are steep though... why can't the Norwegian government provide good infrastructure with the $ 500 billion+ oil fund? The interest on that fund alone could provide an excellent transportation system.

[Coccodrillo]

Is the Rogfast subsea tunnel (25 km) project progressing?

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

Is the Rogfast subsea tunnel (25 km) project progressing?

They're doing seismics right now: http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter...een.297950.cms

2015 is the earliest possible construction start, but it is an expensive project, and not everyone thinks it's more important than local projects in Stavanger/Sandnes (such as the LRT).

[devo]

Rogfast will be impressive, when (if) it's built.

@ChrisZwolle
The oil fund? Are you talking about the fund that lends money to the Germans at 1% interest but cannot even find some spare change to Norwegian road building?
No seriously, of about 50 mrd. NOK in road related taxes,* only 7 mrd. is used on new road infrastructure. What oil fund? Oh, yeah we use 4% of the revenue from that fund every year... on roads? Not really.

*The taxes I'm talking about comes from one-time car registration fees, a fee for every time a car changes hands, tax on petrol, the yearly road tax and off course the value added tax on top of all of this in case we wish to resell our beloved taxes at an expense for the state, which the VAT will then cover.
Obviously, the money goes to schools and the pretty amazing public health care system.

The problem is not money. The problem is that the Ministry of Finance only sees roads as an expense that has to repay itself. And not as an investment that will repay itself in increased "everything" in our case. Oh, and talk to the green people and you'll get bashed for saying something like this but the case is that we both can and should do build a good road AND rail network. And only a fraction of the oil money will be enough.

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[cinxxx]

And why don't people protest against the goverment?
Or are they all satisfied with what they are fed with?
I would call this brain washing, ignorance, and not far different from communism, only that people had no right to express opinions, but as I see, in modern western society, people don't care to do that, so it's kind of the same

[Grauthue]

Don't confuse macroeconomics with microeconomics.

If the state forked out for a lot of road projects from the petroleum fund you would be creating inflation by paying more for doing no more productive wealth creation than we are doing today.

This is not the case when the roads are financed by the users.

Personally I think the state should spend more money on roads, but they would have to finance it by cutting somewhere else in the budget rather than taking it from the petroleum fund.

[italystf]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

Is the Rogfast subsea tunnel (25 km) project progressing?

25km of tunnel? Longer than the Laerdal?

[katia72]

Originally Posted by Grauthue

Don't confuse macroeconomics with microeconomics.

If the state forked out for a lot of road projects from the petroleum fund you would be creating inflation by paying more for doing no more productive wealth creation than we are doing today.

This is not the case when the roads are financed by the users.

Personally I think the state should spend more money on roads, but they would have to finance it by cutting somewhere else in the budget rather than taking it from the petroleum fund.

Tell me how many road projects needs to creat inflation???
Many politicians use this expression without knowing the answer.

[Ingenioren]

Originally Posted by Grauthue

creating inflation by paying more for doing no more productive wealth creation than we are doing today..

If only there was some sort of common currency in our region we could adopt to avoid this inflation issue...

Originally Posted by italystf

25km of tunnel? Longer than the Laerdal?

Indeed, and it will be twin tube with the lowest level at 380 meter under the sea. 190 meter below sea-level and rougly in the middle of the crossing will be a grade separated intersection for a 3km long tunnel to Kvitsøy. Construction might start in 2015, but the financing is uncertain altough tolls will be collected on the ferry already from next year.

[devo]

I love this Rogfast project. My dreams is that they make a really large hall at the junction and put in plants and trees and fake sun light and all the works.

Pretty insane, but it would fit the project.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by devo

I love this Rogfast project. My dreams is that they make a really large hall at the junction and put in plants and trees and fake sun light and all the works.

Pretty insane, but it would fit the project.

And a "rasteplass"

[devo]

Yes! I just realized that I meant to include that in my post, thanks for pointing that out! People would probably stop anyway so they should build a "rasteplass", in connection with the junction obviously.

[GlennHGSD]

Anyone seen this before?

It's a vid of the motorway bits of the road from Oslo to Trondheim, it ends at 7 minutes, but from 5:15 to 7 minutes you can see the part with the prerusted crahs barriers on the road to trondheim we discussed earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJFIPYmZXm8

Another neat one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mR3S...feature=relmfu

[RV]

I noticed on Google Maps the city-cutting highway in Oslo city center has been tunneled - Haven't heard nothing about this project, so it would be interesting to know:

When was this done?
When was the surface motorway that stood on the tunnels place before built?
And, if someone has any map of planned motorway network for Oslo from the 1960's or so?