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Old May 12th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #1781
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Is the Rogfast subsea tunnel (25 km) project progressing?
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:29 AM   #1782
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Is the Rogfast subsea tunnel (25 km) project progressing?
They're doing seismics right now: http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter...een.297950.cms

2015 is the earliest possible construction start, but it is an expensive project, and not everyone thinks it's more important than local projects in Stavanger/Sandnes (such as the LRT).
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Old May 12th, 2012, 04:58 AM   #1783
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Rogfast will be impressive, when (if) it's built.

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The oil fund? Are you talking about the fund that lends money to the Germans at 1% interest but cannot even find some spare change to Norwegian road building?
No seriously, of about 50 mrd. NOK in road related taxes,* only 7 mrd. is used on new road infrastructure. What oil fund? Oh, yeah we use 4% of the revenue from that fund every year... on roads? Not really.

*The taxes I'm talking about comes from one-time car registration fees, a fee for every time a car changes hands, tax on petrol, the yearly road tax and off course the value added tax on top of all of this in case we wish to resell our beloved taxes at an expense for the state, which the VAT will then cover.
Obviously, the money goes to schools and the pretty amazing public health care system.

The problem is not money. The problem is that the Ministry of Finance only sees roads as an expense that has to repay itself. And not as an investment that will repay itself in increased "everything" in our case. Oh, and talk to the green people and you'll get bashed for saying something like this but the case is that we both can and should do build a good road AND rail network. And only a fraction of the oil money will be enough.

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Old May 12th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #1784
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And why don't people protest against the goverment?
Or are they all satisfied with what they are fed with?
I would call this brain washing, ignorance, and not far different from communism, only that people had no right to express opinions, but as I see, in modern western society, people don't care to do that, so it's kind of the same
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #1785
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Don't confuse macroeconomics with microeconomics.

If the state forked out for a lot of road projects from the petroleum fund you would be creating inflation by paying more for doing no more productive wealth creation than we are doing today.

This is not the case when the roads are financed by the users.

Personally I think the state should spend more money on roads, but they would have to finance it by cutting somewhere else in the budget rather than taking it from the petroleum fund.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #1786
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Is the Rogfast subsea tunnel (25 km) project progressing?
25km of tunnel? Longer than the Laerdal?
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Old May 12th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #1787
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Don't confuse macroeconomics with microeconomics.

If the state forked out for a lot of road projects from the petroleum fund you would be creating inflation by paying more for doing no more productive wealth creation than we are doing today.

This is not the case when the roads are financed by the users.

Personally I think the state should spend more money on roads, but they would have to finance it by cutting somewhere else in the budget rather than taking it from the petroleum fund.
Tell me how many road projects needs to creat inflation???
Many politicians use this expression without knowing the answer.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #1788
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creating inflation by paying more for doing no more productive wealth creation than we are doing today..
If only there was some sort of common currency in our region we could adopt to avoid this inflation issue...

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25km of tunnel? Longer than the Laerdal?
Indeed, and it will be twin tube with the lowest level at 380 meter under the sea. 190 meter below sea-level and rougly in the middle of the crossing will be a grade separated intersection for a 3km long tunnel to Kvitsøy. Construction might start in 2015, but the financing is uncertain altough tolls will be collected on the ferry already from next year.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #1789
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I love this Rogfast project. My dreams is that they make a really large hall at the junction and put in plants and trees and fake sun light and all the works.

Pretty insane, but it would fit the project.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:04 AM   #1790
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I love this Rogfast project. My dreams is that they make a really large hall at the junction and put in plants and trees and fake sun light and all the works.

Pretty insane, but it would fit the project.
And a "rasteplass"
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Old May 15th, 2012, 02:39 AM   #1791
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Yes! I just realized that I meant to include that in my post, thanks for pointing that out! People would probably stop anyway so they should build a "rasteplass", in connection with the junction obviously.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #1792
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Anyone seen this before?

It's a vid of the motorway bits of the road from Oslo to Trondheim, it ends at 7 minutes, but from 5:15 to 7 minutes you can see the part with the prerusted crahs barriers on the road to trondheim we discussed earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJFIPYmZXm8

Another neat one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mR3S...feature=relmfu

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Old May 19th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #1793
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I noticed on Google Maps the city-cutting highway in Oslo city center has been tunneled - Haven't heard nothing about this project, so it would be interesting to know:

When was this done?
When was the surface motorway that stood on the tunnels place before built?
And, if someone has any map of planned motorway network for Oslo from the 1960's or so?
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Old May 19th, 2012, 05:30 PM   #1794
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When was this done?
The new tunnel opened 20. september 2010
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When was the surface motorway that stood on the tunnels place before built?
I don't know when the motorway itself was built, but Bispelokket (a part of the motorvei network) was built between 1966 and 1968.
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And, if someone has any map of planned motorway network for Oslo from the 1960's or so?
I'm not sure there exist a map covering it all, but here are some proposals:

Demolishing Grunerløkka and put a highway there:


Highway along Karl Johan creating something similiar to 9 de Julio Avenue in Buenos Aires:


Highway junction close to the castle:



Highway cutting through the Frogner area:



There were also plans about a highway cutting through Kvadraturen next to the fortress but I can't find the pictures now.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #1795
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I noticed on Google Maps the city-cutting highway in Oslo city center has been tunneled - Haven't heard nothing about this project, so it would be interesting to know:

When was this done?
When was the surface motorway that stood on the tunnels place before built?
The first part of the E18 under Oslo opened in 1989, I think. The final part, the immersed section replacing the junction by the central station, was opened last year. The work rebuilding the former surface dual carriageway into a boulevard is ongoing. The original road was built in the 60s, I believe it opened in 1966.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 05:02 AM   #1796
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I noticed on Google Maps the city-cutting highway in Oslo city center has been tunneled - Haven't heard nothing about this project, so it would be interesting to know:

When was this done?
When was the surface motorway that stood on the tunnels place before built?
And, if someone has any map of planned motorway network for Oslo from the 1960's or so?
You haven't heard of this? What a shame! As Galro said, the tunnel was opened in 2010, but the westbound ramps connecting downtown to the tunnel aren't done till later this year.

Map of the new road network in Bjørvika, Oslo.


Video of the tunnel (it's integrated with the rest of the Operatunnel, but the new parts are from 2:43 to 3:53):
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Old May 25th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #1797
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Can't seem to find it in this thread, but Hålogalandsbrua is approved!

The 1533 meter long bridge will have a span of 1145 meter, shorten E6 in Nordland county by ~18 minutes north of Narvik. It will have two lanes, summening up to 9,5 meters wide profile.



Construction start is this fall, and cost is just under NOK 2,5 bio (€330 mio)

http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/sd/...html?id=683680
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http://kart.finn.no/?lng=17.48372&la...ype=finnhybrid
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Old May 25th, 2012, 02:10 PM   #1798
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Is this a fjord or a river?
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It's a small arm of Ofotfjorden.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #1800
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Can't seem to find it in this thread, but Hålogalandsbrua is approved!
Somewhere in the "bridges" section
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