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Old August 22nd, 2012, 02:13 AM   #1841
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And does this not reflect the cost of taking the ferry which will be obsolete?
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 07:59 AM   #1842
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And does this not reflect the cost of taking the ferry which will be obsolete?
In general, the bridge toll is set in line with the replaced ferry ticket price. The relationship is not one-to-one, because the pricing structure differs: The ferries are priced by the vehicle and by the number of passengers. Most of the road toll booths collect the same money per a vehicle regardless of the number of passengers.

A Norwegian specialty is to collect road tolls before the road is complete. The current price tag of the Brimnes-Bruravik ferry is NOK 86 per a passenger cars and NOK 32 per a passenger. This includes the advance road toll of NOK 23+6. Thus, the list price of the ferry is NOK 63+26.

My wild guess is that the bridge toll for a passenger car in 2013 will be equal to a ferry list price of a vehicle plus one passenger plus 3% for the inflation, thus NOK 92.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:22 AM   #1843
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Norwegian roads generally get toll-free rather fast, often within 15 years, except for the toll rings in cities.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 04:02 PM   #1844
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Aerial video from the new Rv7 near Sokna. This new road will bypass a long detour, making Rv7 over 20 kilometers shorter (about 70% shorter) than via the old Rv7. This will also improve Rv7 as an option between Oslo and Bergen, especially in the summer.

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Old August 23rd, 2012, 04:44 PM   #1845
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Aerial video from the new Rv7 near Sokna. This new road will bypass a long detour, making Rv7 over 20 kilometers shorter (about 70% shorter) than via the old Rv7. This will also improve Rv7 as an option between Oslo and Bergen, especially in the summer.
It is equally important for the rv7/52/E16 link, of course.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 06:46 PM   #1846
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Norwegian roads generally get toll-free rather fast, often within 15 years, except for the toll rings in cities.
That is rather logical. The tolls are to cover an agreed part of the investment cost, interest, and collection cost but not the maintenance cost. 15 years is rather an optimal term for a loan. Adding years do not make the annual payments (nor the tolls) much cheaper.

Sometimes, a toll is de facto reintroduced. The people on the Hvaler island paid the tunnel road for 19 years. Soon after closing the toll booth, a new one was set up to collect money for a new bridge.

The advance payment is rather an odd element in the Norwegian system. You pay toll but you do not get anything for the money.
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Old August 24th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #1847
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Sometimes, a toll is de facto reintroduced. The people on the Hvaler island paid the tunnel road for 19 years. Soon after closing the toll booth, a new one was set up to collect money for a new bridge.
This same thing is happening to the Oslofjord-tunnel. Vegvesenet is currently rushing so that the toll booth won't close as promised next year.
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Old August 24th, 2012, 04:10 AM   #1848
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The advance payment is rather an odd element in the Norwegian system. You pay toll but you do not get anything for the money.
Such system make a lot of sense financially, as it greatly reduces total interest collected indirectly as tolls over the life of the project.
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Old August 25th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #1849
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Such a system is also called taxes (road, fuel, emission), which could be collected in advance, and then stored in a fund and used whenever improvement on road network was needed. I wish Norway one day will get such a fund.
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Old August 25th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #1850
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They have a fund that's worth more than the nominal Norwegian economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_Fund_of_Norway
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Old August 25th, 2012, 02:21 PM   #1851
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A Norwegian specialty is to collect road tolls before the road is complete. The current price tag of the Brimnes-Bruravik ferry is NOK 86 per a passenger cars and NOK 32 per a passenger. This includes the advance road toll of NOK 23+6. Thus, the list price of the ferry is NOK 63+26.
Well, that's true in other parts of the world too. [Especially in India, where I am].

But, how would they collect toll before the bridge is complete?
YOu can't go anywhere on an incomplete bridge can you?
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Old August 25th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #1852
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Well, that's true in other parts of the world too. [Especially in India, where I am].

But, how would they collect toll before the bridge is complete?
YOu can't go anywhere on an incomplete bridge can you?
It is added to the price of the ferry ticket.
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Old August 27th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #1853
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They have a fund that's worth more than the nominal Norwegian economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_Fund_of_Norway
around 500 billion NOK
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Old August 27th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #1854
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around 500 billion NOK
If you are referring to Statens Pensjonsfond - Utland (a.k.a. "Oljefondet", Govt Pension Fund Global), it is somewhat larger than that: "As of 30 June 2012 its total value is NOK 3,561 billion [1] ($594 bn)"...
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Old August 28th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #1855
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yes I was, wao!
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Old September 13th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #1856
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Fantastic video with the possible solutions for a fixed link across the Sognefjord.



Possible solutions;

* A suspension bridge with a main span of 3.700 m and pylons of 450 m tall.
* A floating box girder bridge
* A floating tunnel 20 m below the surface
* A combination of a floating bridge and tunnel
* A floating cable-stayed bridge with 250 m tall pylons, moored to the seabed like oil platforms.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #1857
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Really nice video. The guy speaking speaks so clearly that I understood everything
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Old September 13th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #1858
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I noticed that too, I could understand quite a bit of it.
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Old September 14th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #1859
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A video from a less spectacular project here, it's the U/C section of E18 past Mysen on the Stockholm highway:

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Old September 16th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #1860
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Fantastic video with the possible solutions for a fixed link across the Sognefjord.



Possible solutions;

* A suspension bridge with a main span of 3.700 m and pylons of 450 m tall.
* A floating box girder bridge
* A floating tunnel 20 m below the surface
* A combination of a floating bridge and tunnel
* A floating cable-stayed bridge with 250 m tall pylons, moored to the seabed like oil platforms.
The level of traffic shown in these animations is probably a factor of 10 or so higher than can be expected at a sunny summer day decades from now, but probably 2x2 is needed in order to get sufficient stability in most of these fantacy concepts...
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