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Old February 4th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #1961
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Usually only the more important roads in the south have fences (like E6).
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Old February 4th, 2013, 04:01 PM   #1962
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Usually only the more important roads in the south have fences (like E6).
The typical cost to build an elk fence is about 40,000 per a road kilometre in Finland. In Norway perhaps some more, as everything. Multiplying this by the length of the road network will give interesting results.

You just cannot put all the roads inside the fences. Elks move around, and need rather large living areas. Using a lot of fences makes it necessary to create those structures called "green bridges". They cost 0,5 to 1 million euros.

https://maps.google.fi/maps?q=sammat...,286.02,,0,0.8
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Old February 4th, 2013, 04:23 PM   #1963
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Ouch. That sounds painful.
Don't the roads have any barriers to prevent these animals from entering?
We have the occasional moose wandering in from Poland and traffic cameras show that they can jump the existing deer fences on German motorways no problem. It's a very infrequent problem so far but if they decide to recolonize Germany we're in for a very nasty surprise.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #1964
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Using a lot of fences makes it necessary to create those structures called "green bridges". They cost 0,5 to 1 million euros.
I wish ecoducts were that cheap in the Netherlands. € 10+ million is the norm here. The Netherlands spends € 500 million on ecoducts between 2010 and 2018.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 10:56 PM   #1965
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On non-motorways there could be level crossings tough (as there used to be on E6 trough Northern Akershus.)
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Old February 8th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #1966
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Statens Vegvesen (Norwegian Public Roads Administration) have uploaded a video with pictures of scenery/artwork/rest stops along the designated National Tourist Routes.

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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #1967
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E39 toll stations, Trondheim-Kristiansand by car = 1927kr vs. 600kr by air.
http://www.vg.no/bil-og-motor/artikk...artid=10107247

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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #1968
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E39 toll stations, Trondheim-Kristiansand by car = 1927kr vs. 600kr by air.
So these are the tolls for the road that would substitute today's ferries on this route.

Then again, would you actually use E39 for this whole route? Or rather drive via Oslo? How much would that cost?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #1969
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1 hour flying versus 2 days worth of driving when all the bridges and tunnels are completed in 2030 or so. I think VERY few traffic will drive the entire route of E39, some stretches probably do not get more than 2000 vehicles per day. It's not really a useful comparison if you ask me.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 11:04 PM   #1970
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very true, and by 2030 E6 between Trondheim-Oslo and Oslo-Kristiansand will be a lot faster than today. Typical journalism to write articles such as that one!
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Old February 9th, 2013, 03:09 AM   #1971
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These prices will obviously scare off tourists. Personally, I would never drive it for that amount.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:09 AM   #1972
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As with many long routes, it will be much more useful for intermediate shorter trips, which are not served by air routes.

In any case, I think Kristiansand-Trondheim is faster via Ortersund (in Sweden):
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Old February 9th, 2013, 11:08 AM   #1973
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These prices will obviously scare off tourists. Personally, I would never drive it for that amount.
1927 NOK is about € 260. That's indeed steep for a 1085 kilometer route. It's about € 0.24 per kilometer on average, about double that of French toll roads.

On the other hand there is tendency to scrap the tolls after 10 - 15 years, so when all crossings are completed it is likely many older crossings have become toll free, so the total amount due is likely lower than 1927 NOK.

Also, I wonder if that map includes ferry tolls. They tend to be higher than bridge/tunnel tolls.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 11:31 AM   #1974
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In any case, I think Kristiansand-Trondheim is faster via Ortersund (in Sweden):
Östersund? That's impossible you would add 300km to the route! Fastest is via Oslo and Tynset.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 01:34 PM   #1975
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Tourist don't care to have to pay some money for toll roads, when the prices won't rice much more. They still come for the country, the nice mountains, the fjords, et cetera.
When I drive towards Norway, I know we would drive a lot of kilometres, most times more than 5000. But that doesn't care, even the many ferry's and toll roads doesn't care.
We just want to see this nice country.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #1976
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Tourists prefere to use Rv13 aubviously...
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Old February 9th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #1977
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Also, I wonder if that map includes ferry tolls. They tend to be higher than bridge/tunnel tolls.
Oh no. The whole map refers to the (obscure) future when there are no more ferries at all on E39 (except one to Denmark, of course).

How accurate the newspaper's calculations actually are is beyond me.

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Old February 9th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #1978
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Tourist don't care to have to pay some money for toll roads, when the prices won't rice much more. They still come for the country, the nice mountains, the fjords, et cetera.
When I drive towards Norway, I know we would drive a lot of kilometres, most times more than 5000. But that doesn't care, even the many ferry's and toll roads doesn't care.
We just want to see this nice country.
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Wealthy tourists with campers/caravans won't complain about those prices, sure. However, there will be tourists who will simply more or less avoid this stretch which won't benefit the tourist business along this route.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #1979
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Wealthy tourists with campers/caravans won't complain about those prices, sure. However, there will be tourists who will simply more or less avoid this stretch which won't benefit the tourist business along this route.
Most cost-conscious tourist probably avoid Norway already. I don't think those tolls will mean much either way.
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Old February 16th, 2013, 10:21 PM   #1980
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Krifast toll free

The E39 / Krifast connection became toll free at 1 December 2012. The tolls were levied for a period of 20 years, relatively long for a Norwegian toll-financed project (usually they become toll free after 11 - 15 years).

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