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Old February 25th, 2016, 08:32 AM   #241
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So are talking about a series of east-west and north-south interconnecting railways arranged in a grid pattern?
Just for the interests of each countries though.
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Old February 28th, 2016, 08:45 PM   #242
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Thai - China railway negotiation is now at the dangerous zone when Chinese government pressing the demands for using the areas along Railway line from Bangsue central to Nong Khai along with the future extension for commercial development and Chinese settlement in exchange for More Chinese investment while the reason for single track from Khorat (Nakhon Ratchasima) to Nong Khai is due to the way Chinese government want to cut the investment burden of China - Junta would definitely opposed such idea as it is a truly dangerous national security threats which make many Thai people want to put Chinese Embassy at Ratchada Ring near Fortune Town under siege. So, MoT has to find the compromise which every party can agree with.
http://www.posttoday.com/biz/gov/418278
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/582588

Thai - China railway negotiation still goes on - not going to terminate as requested by those PT men as well as Democrat men but this mean the most serious bone of contention [the demands for using the areas along Railway line from Bangsue central to Nong Khai along with the future extension for commercial development and Chinese settlement in exchange for More Chinese investment ] must be settled in the way NOT to provoke anti foreigner backlash from Thai people.
http://prachachat.net/news_detail.php?newsid=1456308835
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Old March 2nd, 2016, 07:27 AM   #243
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All about Thai - China railways
http://www.home.co.th/hometips/detail/83610

the talks about Thai China railway along with double tracking from Map Karabao to Thanon jira in Khorat
http://manager.co.th/QOL/ViewNews.as...=9590000022041

Thai - China railway has become a controversy after Chinese government has asked Thai government to allow the investment along the land strip of Thai - China railway in exchange for more Chinese Investment - This controversy has ignited the anti foreigner sentiment of Thai people - as they think that Chinese government is going to turn Thailand into either the new colony or even the new Province of Mainland China as the following article has shown :
http://newsupdate.sayhibeauty.com/20...g-post_24.html

Chinese ambassador has a talk about Thai - China railway in Chiang Rai to insist fair and square deal on investment
http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewN...=9590000021651


latest negotiation on Thai - China railway
https://www.youtube.com/v/pphrP3lkdCk
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Old March 9th, 2016, 03:51 PM   #244
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the Ease of Lao - China railways have a lot to do with 2 conditions attached with the loan:
1. 50 Year concession for land development along railway land strips
2. concession on 5 mines in Laos

This is quite different from Thai - China railway which cannot accept the request for 50-99 Year concession for land development along railway land strips + mine concessions
http://www.rfa.org/lao/daily/economy...016234351.html
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Old March 10th, 2016, 05:06 PM   #245
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Old March 13th, 2016, 04:58 PM   #246
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Is there any chance of Thailand securing an independent source of funding and only contracting Chinese to build it without any further concessions?
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Is there any chance of Thailand securing an independent source of funding and only contracting Chinese to build it without any further concessions?
Of course, they had pay the real interest rate, though. Nothing is free.
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Of course. What I meant is could they actually secure such loans if they wanted to? Laos would have no chance, but Thailand maybe could...
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Is there any chance of Thailand securing an independent source of funding and only contracting Chinese to build it without any further concessions?
Of course. What I meant is could they actually secure such loans if they wanted to? Laos would have no chance, but Thailand maybe could...
At Least, Thai government can issue either saving bonds with annual interest rates of about 3% or mutual funds with a good annual divident to soak up 12 trillion Baht of deposits in the commercial banks and state banks to finance the projects if Chinese government failed to do according to their favors

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Is there any chance of Thailand securing an independent source of funding and only contracting Chinese to build it without any further concessions?
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Of course, they had pay the real interest rate, though. Nothing is free.
Using Thai Government Saving Bonds in Baht denomination to eliminate FOREX risks since Chinese financial institute REFUSES to cut the interest rates to be not more than 2.0% per year
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Old June 26th, 2016, 02:37 AM   #251
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Cross-border tunneling on China-Laos railway begins

http://www.csa-expo.org/en-us/topic/topicdetail/756499
http://www.crceg2.com/html/NewsCente...mics/7110.html
http://www.chinanews.com/cj/2016/06-22/7913199.shtml

The construction of the friendship tunnel, a key cross-border project on China-Laos railway, was officially started in Yunnan on June 22, marking a practical step in the build-up of the Sino-Lao international railway, which forms part of the Pan-Asia Railway Network.

The cross-border tunnel has a length of 9.8 kilometers, with 7.2 km in China and 2.6 km in Laos. The tunnel will be finished within 56 months, and it is intended to be a signature of the time-tested friendship between China and Laos.

The tunnel will pass through the stratum where mudrocks are embedded with sandstones, and such rough geographical condition could make it hard to carry out works, according to a project personnel.

To insure safety and efficiency, the project contractor, the Chinese Railway Erju Company, will forecast geology in advance, follow construction parameters strictly and employ China's engineering standards in tunneling.

The Yunnan section of the China-Laos Railway links up Yuxi City in the north and Mohan Port, a southern border town. With a total cost of 50.5 billion RMB, the 508-km section belongs to a Grade I electrified railway by China's standard.



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Old November 6th, 2016, 08:44 PM   #252
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Some details about China-Laos railway

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According to the Propaganda document to spread the idea of Lao - Chai Railway project (ເອກະສານໂຄສະນາເຜີຍແຜ່ນຳພາແນວຄິດກ່ຽວກັບໂຄງການກໍ່ສ້າງທາງລົດໄຟລາວ-ຈີນ), we got the following vital information about Lao - China Railway

1. It will be standard gauge single track
2. the steepness on the plateau section is 12 in 1000 while the steepness on the hill section will be 24 in 1000 just like Dong Phraya yen section (Kaeng Khoi - Pak Chong)
3. the minimum radius on the plateau section is 2000 meters while the minimum radius on the hill section is 1600 meters
4. th design will be according to geographic section - which has to be separated into 2 sections
4.1. Boten - Vangvieng (Steep hill section) Max Speed at 160 kph for passenger trains while 120 kph for cargo trains
4.2. Vangvieng - viengchan capital A(plateau section) Max Speed at 200 kph for passenger trains while 120 kph for cargo trains

5. Designed for cargo train of 3000 tons in the inital stage and 4000 tons in the long term
6. Chinese government Invests 70% and Lao government invests 30% - both parties will have to pay 40% of their investment for intial capital - effectively Chinese invests 28% of total capital while Lao government invests 12%
which is 730 Million US Dollars. At the time being, Lao government invest the first 50 Million US Dollars while borrowing form Chinese EXIM Bank until they can pay all 5956 Million US Dollars project prices in 35 years

7. Lao - China Railway consisted of 175.59 km of elevated tracks (41.10%) 170 bridges with total distance of 69.20 km (15.80%) including 2 Major bridge across Mekhong at Luang Phrabang, 576 culverts and draining pipe with total distance of 21.60 km and 72 tunnels with total distance of 183.90km (43.07%) including 7 tunnels longer than 7000 meter with the longest one at 9500 meter - Friendship tunnel across Lao - China Border has been excluded though.

8 There will be 33 railway stations even though ONLY 21 stations will be built - 12 will be built later - there will be 4 passenger trains (definitely EMUs) and 14 cargo trains (Locos and wagons includign BCFs)

9. Each station has a track capacity of 23 trains a day - with a hope that once all 33 stations have been opened, the track capacity will be raised to 39 trains a day

9.1 Track capacity of Boten - Mueang Xai - initially 25 trains a day - short term 42 trains a day and long term 42 trains a day
9.2 Track capacity of Mueang Xai - Luang Phrabang - initially 26 trains a day - short term 40 trains a day and long term 40 trains a day
9.3 Track capacity of Luang Phrabang - Vangvieng - initially 25 trains a day - short term 40 trains a day and long term 40 trains a day
9.4 Track capacity of Vangvieng - veingchan capital - initially 23 trains a day - short term 39 trains a day and long term 39 trains a day
9.5 Track capacity of veingchan capital - Friendship binitiall 54 trains a day - short term 54 trains a day and long term 54 trains a day

10. ticket rate - 0.30 Yuan per person per km (350 Kip per person per km or Viang Chan capital - Boten at 140000 Kip per person - cheaper and faster than buses by a half while cargo train tariff is at 0.50 Yuan per ton per km
(600 Kip per ton per km) - or Viang Chan capital - Boten at 140000 Kip per ton - cheaper than going by trucks and 45 hour fasters

11. Need 3000 hectar (18750 Rai) of railway land for track and station yards - with 50 meter wide land strip while the area in fornt of tunnel will be 50 meter wide and 100 meter long while 3 Major stations at Luang Phabang, Vangvieng
and Viengchan capital near National Stadium at km 16 need 500 meter wide and 3000 meter long land for station yards while the mid size stations such as Boten, Na Moh, Muang Nga, and Kasi station will need 200 meter wide and 2000 meter long
land for station yards - so the detrimental effect is unavoidable

12. Lao Government is to isssue 6 polities to support Lao - China railway

12.1. Right of development on Railway land
12.2. Tax exemption and discount
12.3. natural resource tax
12.4. Tax on Imported goods
12.5. feed for leasing the area and the place to stay for foreign workers (definitely Chinese labors)
12.6. All the supports for construction of Lao - China to be finished on time

13. Chinese loan of 480 Million US Dollars at 2.3% rate per annum to pay for that 50 Million US Dollars while the rest will have to borrow at the rate of 3% - Cheap if compared with 4.9% per annum rate forr Chinese railway construction

14. There are 13 tracks for Lao - China railway contracts

14.1. the First 6 construction contracts
14.1.1 Boten - Mueang Xai from km 0+000 to km 68+500 with total distance of 68.73 km (Excluding Mueang Xai station yard) with 11.90 km of bridges 43.90 km of tunnels
14.1.2 Mueang Xai (including Mueang Xai station yard) - Sue River (excluding Bridge across Sue river) from km. 68+500 to km 137+688 with total distance of 68.85 km with 11.90 km of bridges and 50.13 km of tunnels
14.1.3 Sue River (including Bridge across Sue river) - Phu Sanen hill from km 137+688 to km 203+506 with total distance of 65.61 km with 9.65 km of bridges and 45.77 km of tunnels
14.1.4 Phu Sanen hill - Ban Pah from km 203+506 to km 264+100 with total distance of 61.49 km with 7.49 km of bridges and 43.47 km of tunnels
14.1.5 Ban Pah - Phone Hong (excluding Phone Hong station yard) from km 264+100 to km 343+300with total distance of 79.54 km with 11.63 km of bridges and 14.29 km of tunnels
14.1.6 Phone Hong (including Phone Hong station yard) from km 343+300 to km. 409+000 with total distance of 65.70 km including 14.50 km of Bridges
14.2. Platelaying 1 contrack
14.3. Installation of electic traction power system, signal systems and telecommunication - 1 contract
สัญญาติดตั้งระบบไฟฟ้า ระบบสัญญาณ และ สื่อสาร 1 สัญญา
14.5. Contracts for consultant to handle the construction controls 3 contracts
14.6. Contract for the consultant on Installation of electic traction power system, signal systems and telecommunication - 1 contract

15. Land exappropriation at 4966.25 Million Kips
16. Passing loop is 650 - 850 meter long
17. CTC traffic control system
http://www.mpwt.gov.la/attachments/a...5%E0%BA%99.pdf

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Construction, Consultancy Firms Sign on for Laos-China Railway

1. Boten - Meuang Xay (88.65 km): China Railway No.5 Engineering Group
2. Meuang Xay - Nam Seu Bridge (68.8 km): China Railway International Group
3. Nam Seu Bridge - Phou Sanaen (65.6 km): China Railway Baju Group Company
4. Phou Sanaen - Ban Pa Village (61.49 km): Sinohydro Group
5. Ban Pa Village - Phonhong (79.5 km): Power Construction Corporation of China
6. Phonhong - Vientiane (65.7 km): China Railway Erju Co., Ltd

http://www.vientianetimes.org.la/Fre...nstruction.htm

Five Chinese construction companies and six consultancy firms have been selected for engagement in the Laos-China Railway Project, with construction expected to start in December.

Agreements with the companies were signed in Vientiane yesterday in the presence of Minister of Public Works and Transport Dr Bounchanh Sinthavong, Chinese Ambassador to Laos Mr Guan Huabing, deputy ministers, provincial governors and other invited guests.

The selection of the construction companies and consultancy firms was conducted by the Laos-China Railway Committee, with the process beginning on July 27. The committee sent letters to the construction companies and consultancy firms setting out the conditions for bidding. Ten Chinese construction companies and 15 consultancy firms submitted bids, according to a report from the committee.

The committee assessed the bids in Vientiane on August 26 before meeting in Beijing from August 28-31 to evaluate them.During the meeting, the committee scrutinized the bids before making their final decision, as approved by the Laos-China Railway Joint Venture Company.The joint venture company declared the results of the bid to the companies before publicly announcing the winners on September 8.

In another part of the project, about 20 Lao companies will be chosen as sub-contractors for construction work on the railway, which will run from Vientiane to the Chinese border.These companies must be sub-contracted by Chinese companies, who will supervise their work and provide technical assistance to ensure high quality workmanship.

The US$6 billion railway, to be built over a distance of 427 km, will be completed by 2021, an official in charge said.The railway will use a 1.435-metre standard-gauge track. There will be 33 stations, 21 of which will be operational initially, according to the Ministry of Public Works and Transport.There will be 72 tunnels with a total length of 183.9 km, representing 43 percent of the railway's total length. The line will also have 170 bridges totalling 69.2 km in length, accounting for 15.8 percent of the total.

Passenger trains will travel at 160 km per hour, while the speed of rail freight will be 120 km per hour.

The railway in Laos will link with the track in Thailand to form part of the regional rail link known as the Kunming-Singapore railway, covering a total distance of about 3,000km.An official ground-breaking ceremony for the Laos-China railway took place in Vientiane last December to mark the 40th anniversary of the foundation of the Lao People's Democratic Republic.

The project coincides with the 'One Belt, One Road' initiative of Chinese President Xi Jinping, and will contribute to increased friendly relations and cooperation between Laos and China, and between China and Asean. The Lao government has highlighted the significance of the railway in transforming Laos from a landlocked country to a land link and attracting more foreign investment and tourists to the country. The railway will also serve to boost production in Laos, both for export and to spur economic growth.
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Horizontal and Vertical Sectional Diagram of China-Lao Railway

Source:Wechat - laomedia

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Horizontal Sectional View (missing part of section between Luang Phrabang - Vangvieng)



Vertical Sectional View

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Old November 7th, 2016, 02:32 PM   #255
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Is it currently possible to get by train from China to Singapore?
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don't think so, not until China-Laos railway...

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Old November 7th, 2016, 06:57 PM   #257
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Does Laos have any plans for a railway Vientiane-Hanoi?
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Does Laos have any plans for a railway Vientiane-Hanoi?

Yes, but right now only on paper
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Old November 8th, 2016, 09:10 AM   #259
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Is it currently possible to get by train from China to Singapore?
If you go via Vietnam, there is a gap in both possible transit lands, Laos and Cambodia. Unlike Laos, Cambodia has a rail grid, but it is in dismal state and few lines are operating at all. The link to Thailand will be reactivated though soon.
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How are currently plans for rail between China and Myanmar?
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