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Old November 8th, 2016, 07:16 PM   #261
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If you go via Vietnam, there is a gap in both possible transit lands, Laos and Cambodia. Unlike Laos, Cambodia has a rail grid, but it is in dismal state and few lines are operating at all. The link to Thailand will be reactivated though soon.
And as far as I know there never was a line between Cambodge and Vietnam.

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Old February 8th, 2017, 03:40 PM   #262
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Thailand, Malaysia to start talks on 1,500km route

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Econ...-speed-railway



BANGKOK -- Thailand and Malaysia are set to start talks on the construction of a 1,500km high-speed railway that would connect the two countries' capitals and enhance regional connectivity.

Arkhom Termpittayapaisiht, Thailand's transport minister, told the Nikkei Asian Review that he hopes to meet with his Malaysian counterpart soon. "We will discuss how we can get foreign countries involved in the project like 'China or Japan' or 'China and Japan,'" he said. "But Malaysia seems to have more favor in China."

The Bangkok-Kuala Lumpur route is a large section of the pan-Asia railway network plan -- initially proposed by former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad at a 1995 meeting of leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

The idea was to build a rail network that runs all the way from Singapore, to the southern Chinese city of Kunming, through Malaysia, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos.

Much of the existing rail network is old and unsuitable for high speed trains. Modernization work is underway to improve mobility of people and goods and help boost the regional economy.

"ASEAN cities should be connected by high speed rail," Arkhom said, adding that, unlike air routes, a railway connection "can promote cities along the railway line."

China involvement

Today, the concept chimes closely with Chinese leader Xi Jinping's Belt and Road initiative, which aims to create an economic corridor from Asia to Europe by developing overland and maritime routes.

Chinese involvement in regional transport networks is on the increase. A railway link between Kunming and the Laotian capital Vientiane is now under construction. This will connect with another line that China is involved in, linking Nong Khai on the Thai side of the border with Bangkok.

It is hard to imagine Beijing will not jump to attention if Thailand and Malaysia seek help for the planned high-speed railway. Japan is also eager to export its shinkansen bullet train technology. The shinkansen is already up and running in Taiwan and there are deals signed in India and Thailand. In 2015, however, Japan lost out to China in the race for Indonesia's high-speed rail project.

Japan and China are also currently vying for the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur line, which will be the first cross-border high-speed railway project in Southeast Asia. The Singaporean and Malaysian governments have agreed for the 350km long railway to start operations by 2026. The proposed Kuala Lumpur-Bangkok route would extend the line all the way through the Malay Peninsula.

The route is currently served by low-speed trains that run on 1-meter gauge tracks. High-speed trains would require a new set of 1.4m standard-gauge tracks to be built, Arkhom said.

"But if we cannot put in much investment, we will just go on our existing 1-meter gauge," he added. As a primary action plan, Arkhom said that Thailand is looking to electrify the diesel trains that run between the southern Thai city of Hat Yai and Kuala Lumpur this year. "We only have limited resources," he said.

Shinkansen "very expensive"

Thailand currently has two other high speed railway projects in the pipeline, for which funding has been a constant headache.

Regarding the shinkansen project, Arkhom said that Thailand is planning to propose the Japanese side shoulder part of the investment through a joint venture.

Based on Japanese studies, the proposed cost for the entire 670km connecting Bangkok and Chiang Mai is estimated at around 500 billion baht ($14.2 billion), which Arkhom describes as "very expensive." The China-backed railway project linking the Laotian border and the Thai capital covers a longer distance of 873km but is set to cost just 379 billion baht.

"[The plan from] the Japanese team is based on Japanese standards but ... [the railway] will not be in Japan and we are not as rich as the Japanese," Arkhom said, arguing that Japan should compromise on standards other than safety, to "make it happen in this country."

A joint venture would be a "win-win solution," he suggested. The investment ratio would be further discussed. "In order to make sure that the [shinkansen] technology is with us forever, why don't you come in and run the project together?"

Construction is planned to take place in two phases. The first, linking Bangkok and Phitsanoluk and covering 380km, will start in 2019. Work on the latter half is scheduled to begin a year later. The entire route is planned for completion by 2023.

Meanwhile, the Sino-Thai project will call for the first round of bidding for construction in March. This, however, will cover merely the first 3.5km of the entire project. "If you want to see the project going, we have to start with the small part," Arkhom said.

Thailand last year said it would finance the project itself, focusing just on the 250km section between Bangkok and the northeastern city of Nakhon Ratchasima, after failing to agree loan interest rates with China.

Arkhom said that the remaining 620km, from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai is still on the table. "We have to keep this project alive as promised, although there may be some delays."

Negotiations for Chinese loans are also continuing. The latest agreement is that China will lend money for the imported materials on the Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima section. The interest rate, however, is still higher than the rates provided by other financial organizations such as the Asian Development Bank, he said, with the last offer at 2.3% for loans in either yuan or U.S. dollars.

In addition, Arkhom said that China is asking for development rights for land along the railway as well as an agreement to let China take concession of other development projects in Thailand if the railway project fails. "We don't agree," Arkhom said. "The project is in Thailand and we have the sole rights for it. They cannot take the benefit of the project."
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Old September 12th, 2017, 05:58 PM   #263
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200,000 passengers! China-Vietnam passenger rail service marks 8 years

It's considered as a vital link between China and Vietnam. The passenger rail service between the southwestern Chinese city of Nanning and the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi has carried over 200,000 passengers since its launch in 2009.

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Old September 12th, 2017, 08:22 PM   #264
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11+ hours for 396 km? That's an average speed of less than 36 km/h.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 12:45 AM   #265
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I believe it so,because the line goes through a highly mountainous terrain north of Hanoi.The section within Viet-Nam (389 km or 242 mi) is known as the "Hanoi - Lao Cai Railway" and I think it takes 8 hours between Hanoi and the Chinese border (no joke!)-Please check "Viet-Nam Railways Timetable Hanoi - Lao Cai" on your PC.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 02:09 PM   #266
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11+ hours for 396 km? That's an average speed of less than 36 km/h.
Welcome to South-East Asia.

I remember when I was in Myanmar. It took about 10 hours by train to travel a distance of about 100 kilometers.

So yeah, it's definitely a good thing many South-East Asian countries are investing in rail infrastructure.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 02:11 PM   #267
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11+ hours for 396 km? That's an average speed of less than 36 km/h.
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I believe it so,because the line goes through a highly mountainous terrain north of Hanoi.The section within Viet-Nam (389 km or 242 mi) is known as the "Hanoi - Lao Cai Railway" and I think it takes 8 hours between Hanoi and the Chinese border (no joke!)-Please check "Viet-Nam Railways Timetable Hanoi - Lao Cai" on your PC.Best regards....
Long immigration clearance at the border and this section of the railway has the max speed of 70 kph
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Old September 13th, 2017, 02:21 PM   #268
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Does Laos have any plans for a railway Vientiane-Hanoi?
the only thing that can become the link between these 2 capital cities are the line from Viengchan to Tha Khaek and then Tha Khaek to Vinh before connecting with the existing Vietnam railway (North - South line)
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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:06 PM   #269
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no news on that project?
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no news on that project?
the line to from Viengchan to Vietnam border would not be started until Lao - China railway is opened
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Old September 14th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #271
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Thai government trying to invite Japanese government and Investors to realize the rail connection between Ban Phu Namron checkpoint to Laem Chabang Deep Sea Port - with a future extension by massive double tracking from Klong 19 to Aranyaprathet to connect with Cambodia

Here is the section related to Eastern Economic Corridor :



For the railway to support Eastern Economic Corridor with links to Cambodia the price tags of 171,380 Million Baht, it has to be studied in 2017 so as to start the construction around 2019-2020, here are the list:

1. Boosting the efficiency of Hua Mark - Chachoengsao - Sri Racha (125 km) at 8000 Million Baht - CTC already been in place but more are to be done on level crossing
2. Thai - Cambodian cargo train services including Container Yard at Klong Luek station (km 259) at 3000 million Baht
3. Sri Racha - Maptaphut via Pluak Daeng double tracking - 70 km at 15400 million Bahgt
4. ICD Kaeng Khoi as cargo distribution center for EXIM business in Isan area as well as Laos at 10000 Million Baht
5. Double tracking from Sri Racha - Sattahip (79 km) and Maptaphut - rayong (22 km) at 22220 million Baht
6. Rayong - Chanthaburi - Trat railway line to Cambodian border - 150 km at 22500 million Baht
7. Rayong - Chanthaburi - Trat double tracking to Cambodian border - 150 km at 18860 million Baht
8. Klong 19 - Aranyaprathet double tracking at 26100 million Baht
9. Tha Chalaeb - Phanthong bypass line across bang Pakong river, Chao Phraya river and Tha Chin river - 120 km at 40800 million baht
10. ICD Nong Pladuk at 4500 million Baht

Hope that once Dawei Deep Sea Port has been reactivated, the line to Ban Phu Namron will be considered
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detai...sid=1497431422
http://www.thansettakij.com/content/162499
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Progress of Trans-Asian Railway Network presented in the 5th Meeting of the Working Group on the Trans - Asian Railway Network, Busan, Republic of Korea on 13 – 14 June 2017
Thailand section:
http://www.unescap.org/sites/default...AR%20WGM-5.pdf

Myanmar section:
http://www.unescap.org/sites/default...AR%20WGM-5.pdf

India Section:
http://www.unescap.org/sites/default...AR%20WGM-5.pdf

Cambodia Section:
http://www.unescap.org/sites/default...AR%20WGM-5.pdf

China section:
http://www.unescap.org/sites/default...AR%20WGM-5.pdf
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I made a map based on the proposed international routes, starting with India.
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Map from another post.



Construction of China to Thailand High Speed rail to start in October
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Old November 21st, 2017, 12:12 AM   #276
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It looks a bit artificial to run the eastern link, if it's ever approved, to Kunming as well. Would make more sense to strike straight for a border from Hanoi and join Chinese HSR network at Naning instead.
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It looks a bit artificial to run the eastern link, if it's ever approved, to Kunming as well. Would make more sense to strike straight for a border from Hanoi and join Chinese HSR network at Naning instead.
The Yuxi - Mengzi-Hekou railway to the Vietnamese border at Lao Cai is already in operation, and is reportedly built for 120kmph operation. Previously there was an old meter gauge French Built line linking Hanoi and Kunming however I believe this is now defunct.

China has plan for a Maitreya - Mengzi HSR ( I assume 160-250kmph) line which would link to the Kunming Boaise [Nanning], mid speed HSR. This would I assume form most of a Hanoi - Kunming HSR link.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...new-lines.html

China would be happy to build HSR to Hanoi from either (or both!) Kunming or Nanning to Hanoi, but this will have to wait until Vietnam approves. Years ago, around 2011 there was talk of Hanoi - Nanning HSR or at least upgrades, details of which can be searched for in railway gazette.
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There was talk about Nanning to border HSR in China with a hope to extend it later to Hanoi, but haven't heard anything lately.

Hanoi-Nanning is about 350 km, could easily be a two hour journey if a sensible border crossing procedure could be agreed on. Of course first Vietnam needs to come to conclusion that such a connection is in their interests too. Perhaps they need to become a bit richer first...
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There was talk about Nanning to border HSR in China with a hope to extend it later to Hanoi, but haven't heard anything lately.

Hanoi-Nanning is about 350 km, could easily be a two hour journey if a sensible border crossing procedure could be agreed on.
Wuhan-Changsha is 362 km. And trip time gets as short as 1:18.
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Yes, but I doubt this line would be built to the highest possible standard. 250 km/h design speed is more likely to keep costs down.
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