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Old April 21st, 2013, 03:22 AM   #61
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What you describe is very different to what is happening in Africa. Canada is a strong state and will get a lot of benefits from the sale of natural gas to China regardless of who is financing building the port infrastructure. I'd be willing to bet that the fine print for deals in Canada and deals in Malawi is very different indeed
An example of a typical condescending attitude toward Africans.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 10:48 PM   #62
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Really guys! I saw some of the comments in the last page, all of us should know that AFRICA is not a country, its a continent. Even though you guys don't directly say it but from the content it feels like you guys are like people with no education. This is skyscrapercity! We should know that Africa is not a country. COME ON GUYS!
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 04:13 AM   #63
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Really guys! I saw some of the comments in the last page, all of us should know that AFRICA is not a country, its a continent. Even though you guys don't directly say it but from the content it feels like you guys are like people with no education. This is skyscrapercity! We should know that Africa is not a country. COME ON GUYS!
Next thing you'll try to tell us Honolulu is an actual place, and not just something you made up
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 06:15 AM   #64
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Chin lends money to an african country to build a gold mine. The gold mine will be run by a Chinese firm and most of the money and materials generated will return to China, but the African nation accepts these terms as it is desperate for any kind of investment at all.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 09:45 PM   #65
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Chin lends money to an african country to build a gold mine. The gold mine will be run by a Chinese firm and most of the money and materials generated will return to China, but the African nation accepts these terms as it is desperate for any kind of investment at all.
It also accepts it because it is the people in charge who get money. The net result for citizens is zero: their country doing business with China in stead of Europe or the US is of no benefit to the average citizen. It's a very big story to get into now, but that's the sad conclusion of it. People who are blindly cheering on China's roads into Africa are just not closely looking at the end result for the people.
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Old August 23rd, 2013, 02:45 AM   #66
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Chin lends money to an african country to build a gold mine. The gold mine will be run by a Chinese firm and most of the money and materials generated will return to China, but the African nation accepts these terms as it is desperate for any kind of investment at all.


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It also accepts it because it is the people in charge who get money. The net result for citizens is zero: their country doing business with China in stead of Europe or the US is of no benefit to the average citizen. It's a very big story to get into now, but that's the sad conclusion of it. People who are blindly cheering on China's roads into Africa are just not closely looking at the end result for the people.
That's not the story...
Really, in all honestly, the one thing Chinese firms have demonstrated is that we need to think of these countries as markets, not "basket cases."

There is actual momentum behind many economies on the continent at this point. The proof is going to be how they manage this growth.

There is definitely a certain narrative that we insist on perpetuating, and China's too busy to care.

Though, to be fair, I think Beijing is more interested in diplomacy here than economics or resources.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #67
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A map of the Iron Silk Road (Eurasian people/cargo rail) by Theo Deutinger and Kit Chow. It seems to have missed at least the breaks of gauge between EU and CIS countries. Most of these lines are not high-speed.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #68
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I wonder if it would be technically possible to build a direct railway connection between China and India. Or maybe easier through northern Myanmar. Politically probably not feasible at this time, but in the future there will probably be more trade between these two giant countries...
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Old October 12th, 2013, 07:45 AM   #69
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High speed railway: China's discreet ASEAN diplomacy
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-s...20131006000084
To improve China's relationship with Southeast Asian nations, President Xi Jinping has encouraged Chinese enterprises to invest more money and resources in constructing the Pan-Asian High Speed Rail link. The line would run from the capital of south China's Yunnan province to the nation-state of Singapore, reports our sister paper Want Daily.

China has already begun construction of the railway between Kunming and Vientiane, the capital of Laos. The construction of the second rail line between Bangkok and Thailand's Nakhon Ratchasima province will happen next year. Through reconstructing the railway from Malaysia and Singapore, China would be able to connect itself with all the major members of ASEAN.

The proposed 300km-long link could reduce traveling times for passengers from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore from six hours to 90 minutes. In the future, this line will be connected to its counterparts in Thailand as well and eventually form a Pan-Asian high-speed rail link.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #70
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China may force Kazakhstan & Russia, to build standard high-speed gauge, the most closest route.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 03:53 AM   #71
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And for completion, here is the map for East Asia:

But for West Asia, South Asia, North Asia, South-East Asia there isn't anything yet.
Thank you ~ that great updates BUT-

I'm not sure about this map ~ its true or not~

cuz we know what happen between north and south korea
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Old October 14th, 2013, 04:58 AM   #72
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A map of the Iron Silk Road (Eurasian people/cargo rail) by Theo Deutinger and Kit Chow. It seems to have missed at least the breaks of gauge between EU and CIS countries. Most of these lines are not high-speed.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #73
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That map is definitely grossly outdated, for example none of the Japanese lines under construction have been drawn. Dalin-Harbin HS line is, I believe, long since finished.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 04:34 AM   #74
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It also misses several Russia-Japan ferries -- in fact, it only shows a single ferry in all. And as for the gauge break -- it's not that big of a problem. Bogie changing is s quick and efficient process and is usually combined with customs check, so it's not that much time is lost. Also, gauge-changing bogies do exist and widely used on Spanish railroads, and there's always dual track for you -- a costliest, but also the most straightforward solution.

PS: I dunno what "we know what happen between north and south korea", but the Trans-Korean Mainline is being basically built as we speak. The northerners have almost agreed (well, pressured by Russia and China) to allow transit in the sealed cars, and from the border at Hasan/Tumangan there's dual Russian/Standard gauge track as far as to Rajin.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #75
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Malaysia mulls high speed train link to Thailand

The Nation October 29, 2013 6:18 pm
Malaysia has mulled linkage of high-speed train with Thailand in order to link railway system with China, Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul said Tuesday.

The idea was discussed during a meeting between Surapong and his Malaysian counterpart Anifah Aman.

Malaysia and Singapore agreed in February this year to jointly develop high speed train system between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. The project, of which feasibility study was finalized recently, would be completed by 2020.

Malaysia wanted to extend the linkage to Thailand and later to China, Surapong said and noted that Malaysian minister Anifah briefed him on the latest development of the project.

The railway system and other joint development projects would be discussed in detail again in the coming meetings of Joint Commission and Thailand-Malaysia Committee on Joint Development Strategy for border areas, Surapong said.

It was Malaysia's turn to host the meeting of the two bilateral mechanisms and Kuala Lumpur would call the meetings soon, he said.

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Old October 31st, 2013, 12:00 PM   #76
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The above map is good but a little misleading. The black dashed lines are existing low-speed rail. The yellow lines are missing links, one of which will be high-speed Kunming-Vientiane.

For the whole project Kunming-Singapore it is a little unclear what will be the options for high-speed people transport and what will be the options for mass cargo transport.
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What will be the speed of Kunming-Vientiane? I thought it was just a low speed (120-160 km/h) mixed passenger/freight rail?
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You seem to be right. It has been described as "fast speed", though classified as high speed in Wikipedia. The Economist has a useful article (and map), One night to Bangkok


Incidentally a good speed cargo rail line through SE Asia seems more useful to me than a high-speed dedicated line, though the question then is where the high-speed Kunming-Singapore line is supposed to go.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 02:30 PM   #79
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Exactly

A passenger HSR to China would see little through traffic, though a mixed line would be much better utilized.

There's also the case of the SE Asian Low-Cost Carriers that provide some of the cheapest airfares in the world, shuttling between the various cities in the region.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 03:31 PM   #80
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Singapore-Kunming does not look all that useful for me. It goes to a remote, mountainous and poor part of China.

How about a HSR Vientiane-Hanoi-Nanning instead?

That would enable continuations:
Hanoi-Nanning-Wuzhou-Guangzhou would by my estimate be shorter than Wuhan-Guangzhou;
Hanoi-Nanning-Guilin-Hengyang-Changsha-Beijing;
Hanoi-Nanning-Guilin-Hengyang-Changsha-Hangzhou-Shanghai.
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