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Old April 20th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #121
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True indeed I mean to make the Pan Asian Railway feasible certain security concerns must be addressed.
Indeed - look everywhere in the world where any kind of civil unrest pops up,
railway operations and projects are very often among the very first casulaties,
and takes very long time to resume once things have calmed down, sometimes
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Sad but true. Railways are a very inflexible mode of transport. It is perhaps not a surprise that they had their heyday in a very stable period of history (2nd half 19th century) and when incessant wars and border changes came up, goverments looked more to cars and airplanes.
In recent times, Ukraine has stopped much but not all of its many train connections to Russia. Turkey had just begun services from Antep to Aleppo (Syria) before the war began and had plans for a HSR on that route, obviously all stopped now. Likewise trains from Antep to Iraq had just restarted in 2003 when the renewed war led to renewed suspension. Attempts to reintroduce this service after the last Gulf War failed. The Serbian-Croatian crossborder services have now long been reintroduced, but many minor lines are still suspended. Still no direct services from Serbia to Bosnia or to its renegade province of [email protected] Even on a nowadays unproblematic border like Germany-Poland, I can think of at least two rail lines that were never reopened after WWII.
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Late 19th century was a heyday because there was no alternative at all other than river traffic and a horse. That kind of situation will never be repeated.
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[...]Even on a nowadays unproblematic border like Germany-Poland, I can think of at least two rail lines that were never reopened after WWII.
You forgot to mention that one line on the German-Poland border got rebuild recently and there are plans to even expand it.
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Railway lines, like any other mean of communications, shouldn't be expected to last forever. Some will wither, or turn into a park, new ones will be constructed.

Clearly borders will be a challenge for transnational lines, on the other hand that is also an integral value proposition for their existence. A line connecting two major cities on opposite side of a border will add value both to the cities and to the typically underdeveloped border regions on each side.
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Key project to connect Kunming, Myanmar for Asian rail system

Key project for 14,000-km network to connect Kunming with Myanmar
[InKunming--New Kunming Construction] A major construction project for the ambitious Trans-Asian Railway Network is set to commence in China in June, according to a senior rail expert.
"The Gaoligong Mountain Rail Tunnel will be more than 30 kilometers long and will help link Yunnan province to Myanmar," said Wang Mengshu, a tunnel and railway expert at the Chinese Academy of Engineering, on Thursday.
The National Development and Reform Commission approved the project, and engineers and worker representatives have come up with techniques to overcome geological complexities that could pose challenges, Wang said.
The tunnel will be the longest of its kind in Asia, with engineering difficulties equivalent to those found in the construction of rail lines on the permafrost in Tibet, he said.
"Another important project, the Nujiang River Rail Bridge, will also be launched soon," Wang added, noting that both the bridge and the tunnel are elements of the Dali-Ruili Railway, which will extend 330 kilometers to link China with its neighbor Myanmar.
Some sections of the railway suitable for high-speed operation will allow trains to run at 250 kilometers per hour. Other sections will hold speeds to a maximum of 180 kph, Wang said.
Wang has been one of the key planners for China's high-speed railway network.
Three rail lines that link China to Southeast Asian nations are included in the central government's medium- and long-term railway network plan, and some preliminary work has begun, according to sources close to China Railway Corp (formerly the Ministry of Railways).
Under the plan, the lines will start in Kunming, Yunnan province, and connect Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. They constitute the southern part of the Trans-Asian Railway, which was initiated in the 1960s and began to take shape after 18 countries endorsed an agreement in November 2006.
The huge rail network aims to provide a continuous 14,000-km rail link between Singapore and Istanbul, with possible onward connections to Europe and Africa, according to the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific.
While the blueprint for the three lines has been in the works for some time, survey and construction work has dragged on because of funding difficulties and disputes over speed-related issues.
"Now we have finished the survey work, and as far as I know, the government is negotiating with foreign nations over the funding methods," Wang said.
"They have reached a preliminary conclusion that China will be responsible for investing in infrastructure,
quipment and technical research, while other countries will repay their share with local resources."
A railway expert at Beijing Jiaotong University who didn't want to be named said China should make sure it has enough money for such a massive project.
"China's railway sector is still being haunted by deep debts," the expert said. "Therefore, even with the government's support, it must persuade banks to lend a colossal amount of money
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Mengzi-Hekou section of Pan-Asia Railway to be opened within 2014

[InKunming--Yunnan] Eastern line of Pan-Asia Railway is estimated to be opened within the year, which marks a significant breakthrough in Pan-Asia Railway project.
Pan-Asia Railway
Pan-Asia Railway project, a much-anticipated project, has been designed and planned for over 50 years before its formal start on November 10 of 2006. According to the program, altogether 3 railways, connecting China and Southeast Asian nations, will be opened before 2020. All these 3 railways are designed to start from Kunming, Yunnan.
The whole project consists of three lines, namely the eastern line, the middle line and the western line. Among them, the eastern one is being built in the fastest speed.
Middle Line: Till now, Yuxi-Mohan section have not been started construction yet
Route: Kunming-Yuxi(玉溪)-Mohan(磨憨)
Yuxi-Mohan Railway, a section within the middle line of Pan-Asia Railway, is still not started its construction.
According to Railway Bureau, the Yuxi-Mohan Railway will reach a length of 503.8 kilometers, with a total investment of 44.65 billion yuan. In the section, train speed is designed to reach 200 kilometers per hour from Yuxi to Jinghong, Xishuangbanna, and 160 kilometers per hour from Jinghong to Mohan. After its construction, travel time from Pu’er to Kunming will be cut to below 3 hours.
Due to difficulties in building railways in Yunnan, construction of the section might spend at least 5 years before being put into operation.
Western Line: Baoshan-Ruili Railway may be started construction in the year
Route: Kunming-Dali(大理)-Baoshan(保山)-Ruili(瑞丽)
The western line has 3 sections, Kunming-Dali part, Dali-Baoshan part and Baoshan Ruili part. Among them, Kunming-Dali part is estimated to be completed in May of 2017. Meanwhile, Dali-Baoshan part has been started construction in 2008, and Baoshan-Ruili part will be started construction within the year.
Kunming-Dali part is put into remolding on the basis of the previous railway. Kunming-Guangtong section of that part has been completed remolding in the second half of last year. The left section, Guangtong-Dali section, has been started remolding since December 30 of 2012, and is anticipated to be finished in May of 2017. The part is 174.45 kilometers long, with an investment of 13.936 billion yuan. Trains are designed to operate at a speed of 200 kilometers per hour in this part.
Dali-Baoshan part is 133.641 kilometers long, and had been put into construction since 2008. The construction is estimated to last for about 66 months. The part is also called “a metro-like railway”, for it altogether contains 21 tunnels.
Baoshan-Ruili part covers a length of 197 kilometers, and is planned to be invested with 17.578 billion yuan. The part may be started construction within the year.
Eastern Line: Mengzi-Hekou section will be opened within the year
Route: Kunming-Yuxi(玉溪)-Mengzi(蒙自)-Hekou(河口)
Kunming and Yuxi has been connected by an old railway already. Its remolding was started on November 28 of 2010, and will be completed within next year. After remolding, railway level of this part will be greatly improved. Trains on that part are estimated to run at a speed of 200 kilometers per hour.
Yuxi-Mengzi part has been opened from February 23, 2013, yet the Mengzi-Hekou part is still under construction now.
Mengzi-Hekou Railway boasts a length of 141.44 kilometers, and is to be constructed with an investment of 6.93 billion yuan. Train speed is designed to reach 120 kilometers per hour. A total of 12 stops, 32 tunnels and 36 bridges are set to be built along the railway.
Mengzi-Hekou Railway has been constructed since July of 2013, and is anticipated to be opened in the year. Its operation also marks the completion of the eastern line of the Pan-Asia Railway project in China.
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Mengzi-Hekou section of Pan-Asia Railway to be opened within 2014

[InKunming--Yunnan] Eastern line of Pan-Asia Railway is estimated to be opened within the year, which marks a significant breakthrough in Pan-Asia Railway project.
Pan-Asia Railway
Pan-Asia Railway project, a much-anticipated project, has been designed and planned for over 50 years before its formal start on November 10 of 2006. According to the program, altogether 3 railways, connecting China and Southeast Asian nations, will be opened before 2020. All these 3 railways are designed to start from Kunming, Yunnan.
The whole project consists of three lines, namely the eastern line, the middle line and the western line. Among them, the eastern one is being built in the fastest speed.
Middle Line: Till now, Yuxi-Mohan section have not been started construction yet
Route: Kunming-Yuxi(玉溪)-Mohan(磨憨)
Yuxi-Mohan Railway, a section within the middle line of Pan-Asia Railway, is still not started its construction.
According to Railway Bureau, the Yuxi-Mohan Railway will reach a length of 503.8 kilometers, with a total investment of 44.65 billion yuan. In the section, train speed is designed to reach 200 kilometers per hour from Yuxi to Jinghong, Xishuangbanna, and 160 kilometers per hour from Jinghong to Mohan. After its construction, travel time from Pu’er to Kunming will be cut to below 3 hours.
Due to difficulties in building railways in Yunnan, construction of the section might spend at least 5 years before being put into operation.
Western Line: Baoshan-Ruili Railway may be started construction in the year
Route: Kunming-Dali(大理)-Baoshan(保山)-Ruili(瑞丽)
The western line has 3 sections, Kunming-Dali part, Dali-Baoshan part and Baoshan Ruili part. Among them, Kunming-Dali part is estimated to be completed in May of 2017. Meanwhile, Dali-Baoshan part has been started construction in 2008, and Baoshan-Ruili part will be started construction within the year.
Kunming-Dali part is put into remolding on the basis of the previous railway. Kunming-Guangtong section of that part has been completed remolding in the second half of last year. The left section, Guangtong-Dali section, has been started remolding since December 30 of 2012, and is anticipated to be finished in May of 2017. The part is 174.45 kilometers long, with an investment of 13.936 billion yuan. Trains are designed to operate at a speed of 200 kilometers per hour in this part.
Dali-Baoshan part is 133.641 kilometers long, and had been put into construction since 2008. The construction is estimated to last for about 66 months. The part is also called “a metro-like railway”, for it altogether contains 21 tunnels.
Baoshan-Ruili part covers a length of 197 kilometers, and is planned to be invested with 17.578 billion yuan. The part may be started construction within the year.
Eastern Line: Mengzi-Hekou section will be opened within the year
Route: Kunming-Yuxi(玉溪)-Mengzi(蒙自)-Hekou(河口)
Kunming and Yuxi has been connected by an old railway already. Its remolding was started on November 28 of 2010, and will be completed within next year. After remolding, railway level of this part will be greatly improved. Trains on that part are estimated to run at a speed of 200 kilometers per hour.
Yuxi-Mengzi part has been opened from February 23, 2013, yet the Mengzi-Hekou part is still under construction now.
Mengzi-Hekou Railway boasts a length of 141.44 kilometers, and is to be constructed with an investment of 6.93 billion yuan. Train speed is designed to reach 120 kilometers per hour. A total of 12 stops, 32 tunnels and 36 bridges are set to be built along the railway.
Mengzi-Hekou Railway has been constructed since July of 2013, and is anticipated to be opened in the year. Its operation also marks the completion of the eastern line of the Pan-Asia Railway project in China.
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China-Turkey high-speed railway

New Silk Road between Europe,Central Asia and China


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'More talks needed on China-Turkey high-speed railway'



Further negotiations on issues including geopolitics, technological standards and funding are needed for a high-speed railway China is planning between the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region and Eastern Europe, according to experts who were interviewed by China Daily.

The 6,000-km link will start in Xinjiang and pass through Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Iran and Turkey to Bulgaria, said Zhao Xiaogang, former chairman of China South Locomotive and Rolling Stock Co (CSR), a leading Chinese industrial manufacturer and exporter.

Zhao is also an adviser to the China Institute for Innovation and Development Strategy.

Passenger train speeds will reach 200 kph and freight trains 160 kph, Zhao told the daily.

Investment in the line will be about $150 billion, Zhao said, adding that it could be largely finished in 2020 and fully completed by 2030.

"It can be regarded as a new Silk Road," he said.
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Ji Jialun, a railway expert at Beijing Jiaotong University, said many details are still under discussion concerning the high-speed railway planned between Xinjiang and Europe.

"A host of factors, such as geopolitics, technological issues and funding have to be considered," he said. "As far as I know, the government has begun to negotiate this project with Kazakhstan, which is willing to cooperate with us on building such a link."

China has the technological and engineering capability to link its rail network with those of its western neighbors, but negotiations still have to be held over the new line's track gauge, Ji said.

"Central Asian and Middle Eastern nations use 1,524 mm broad gauge tracks, while China adopts the standard gauge of 1,435 mm," Ji said.

"China Railway Corp hopes to persuade those countries to adopt the standard gauge for this line, otherwise train wheels will have to be changed at borders."
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Very cool, would have huge geopolitical and economic benefits to China, making Eurasia a tri-polar connected economy China-EU-RF.

I would expect some sections to be faster than others, 300kph one place, 200 another, etc. Could be sped up over time.

30 hours time from Urumqi to Sofia would be excellent.
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Why? The map depicts, for some reason, railway along the Tian-Shan mountains. What is the advantage of that route?
The map was created by the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet, the original article didn't have a map. I would consider this a "journalist's impression" rather than an actual map.

Any route along this way would at least partly go along the Tian Shan, that's pretty much unavoidable. Still the route that was mentioned by Mr. Zhao was a surprise, "Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Iran and Turkey to Bulgaria".

For me, the natural route would be Urumqi to Almaty, Kazakhstan and then downhill from there. The route listed above, which skipped Kazakhstan, would presumably mean first going Urumqi-Kashgar and then do some serious tunneling to the fractious Fergana Valley. In the words of late Sir Humphrey, that would be a courageous decision.
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Two Thai railways get approved as part of Pan-asia Railway

They are part of the Pan-Asia Railways to connect with China. They will be 160km/h so not high speed rails.

The two railways cost 143 bln yuan, construction starts in 2015, completes in 2021.


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Mengzi-Hekou section of Pan-Asia Railway to be opened within 2014

[InKunming--Yunnan] Eastern line of Pan-Asia Railway is estimated to be opened within the year, which marks a significant breakthrough in Pan-Asia Railway project.
Pan-Asia Railway
Pan-Asia Railway project, a much-anticipated project, has been designed and planned for over 50 years before its formal start on November 10 of 2006. According to the program, altogether 3 railways, connecting China and Southeast Asian nations, will be opened before 2020. All these 3 railways are designed to start from Kunming, Yunnan.
The whole project consists of three lines, namely the eastern line, the middle line and the western line. Among them, the eastern one is being built in the fastest speed.
Middle Line: Till now, Yuxi-Mohan section have not been started construction yet
Route: Kunming-Yuxi(玉溪)-Mohan(磨憨)
Yuxi-Mohan Railway, a section within the middle line of Pan-Asia Railway, is still not started its construction.
According to Railway Bureau, the Yuxi-Mohan Railway will reach a length of 503.8 kilometers, with a total investment of 44.65 billion yuan. In the section, train speed is designed to reach 200 kilometers per hour from Yuxi to Jinghong, Xishuangbanna, and 160 kilometers per hour from Jinghong to Mohan. After its construction, travel time from Pu’er to Kunming will be cut to below 3 hours.
Due to difficulties in building railways in Yunnan, construction of the section might spend at least 5 years before being put into operation.
Western Line: Baoshan-Ruili Railway may be started construction in the year
Route: Kunming-Dali(大理)-Baoshan(保山)-Ruili(瑞丽)
The western line has 3 sections, Kunming-Dali part, Dali-Baoshan part and Baoshan Ruili part. Among them, Kunming-Dali part is estimated to be completed in May of 2017. Meanwhile, Dali-Baoshan part has been started construction in 2008, and Baoshan-Ruili part will be started construction within the year.
Kunming-Dali part is put into remolding on the basis of the previous railway. Kunming-Guangtong section of that part has been completed remolding in the second half of last year. The left section, Guangtong-Dali section, has been started remolding since December 30 of 2012, and is anticipated to be finished in May of 2017. The part is 174.45 kilometers long, with an investment of 13.936 billion yuan. Trains are designed to operate at a speed of 200 kilometers per hour in this part.
Dali-Baoshan part is 133.641 kilometers long, and had been put into construction since 2008. The construction is estimated to last for about 66 months. The part is also called “a metro-like railway”, for it altogether contains 21 tunnels.
Baoshan-Ruili part covers a length of 197 kilometers, and is planned to be invested with 17.578 billion yuan. The part may be started construction within the year.
Eastern Line: Mengzi-Hekou section will be opened within the year
Route: Kunming-Yuxi(玉溪)-Mengzi(蒙自)-Hekou(河口)
Kunming and Yuxi has been connected by an old railway already. Its remolding was started on November 28 of 2010, and will be completed within next year. After remolding, railway level of this part will be greatly improved. Trains on that part are estimated to run at a speed of 200 kilometers per hour.
Yuxi-Mengzi part has been opened from February 23, 2013, yet the Mengzi-Hekou part is still under construction now.
Mengzi-Hekou Railway boasts a length of 141.44 kilometers, and is to be constructed with an investment of 6.93 billion yuan. Train speed is designed to reach 120 kilometers per hour. A total of 12 stops, 32 tunnels and 36 bridges are set to be built along the railway.
Mengzi-Hekou Railway has been constructed since July of 2013, and is anticipated to be opened in the year. Its operation also marks the completion of the eastern line of the Pan-Asia Railway project in China.
Did you refer to this document? Here is the details:
Electrified Yuxi - Mohan (玉磨铁路 - 玉溪-磨憨 铁路) with the distance of 509.445 km (Double track from Yuxi to Jianghong (双线) in 362.069 km + single track (单线) 147.376 km ) investment of 47,600 Million Yuan
Max speed Yuxi - Jinhong (玉溪西-西双版纳) 200 kph
Max Speed Jinhong - Mohan (西双版纳-磨憨) 160 kph to be upgraded to 200 kph
steepness 12 - 24 in 1000
curve radius 2800 - 3500 meter
tunnels and bridges 85.35%
passing loop 850 meter
locomotives- SS9 for passenger trains HXD3B for cargo train
to be done in 5 years

Dai - Ruili (大瑞铁路) electrified single track 196 km with the investment of 14,224 Million Yuan
Steepness of Daili - Baoshan (大理 - 保山) 24 in 1000
Steepness of Baoshan - Mangsh (保山 - 芒市) 24 - 35 in 1000
Steepness of Mangshi - Ruili (芒市 - 瑞丽) 12 in 1000
Curve radius 1200 meter
tunnels and bridges 87.4%
Passing Loop Length 650 meter - can be stretched to 850 meter
to be done in 6 years
Automatic Block Signal system (自动站间闭塞)
If you could make further translation into English, it would be a great pleasure
http://pg.jrj.com.cn/acc/CN_DISC/BON...000008t46b.pdf
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China to establish $40 billion Silk Road infrastructure fund

BEIJING (Reuters) - China will contribute $40 billion (25.20 billion pounds) to set up a Silk Road infrastructure fund to boost connectivity across Asia, President Xi Jinping announced on Saturday, the latest Chinese project to spread the largesse of its own economic growth.
China has dangled financial and trade incentives before, mostly to Central Asia but also to countries in South Asia, backing efforts to resurrect the old Silk Road trading route that once carried treasures between China and the Mediterranean.

The fund will be for investing in infrastructure, resources and industrial and financial cooperation, among other projects, Xi said, according to Xinhua.

The goal of the fund is to "break the connectivity bottleneck" in Asia, state media quoted Xi as saying during a meeting in Beijing with leaders from Bangladesh, Cambodia, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar, Pakistan and Tajikistan.
The Silk Road Fund will be "open" and welcome investors from Asia and beyond to "actively" take part in the project, Xi was cited as saying, ahead of a separate summit of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) grouping, also being held in the Chinese capital.

It was not immediately clear precisely how the fund would work, when it would start operations or where it would be based, though in all likelihood it would be China.





But Xinhua said it would focus on China's Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road initiative, which aim to build roads, railways, ports and airports across Central Asia and South Asia.

"Such a framework accommodates the needs of various countries and covers both land and sea-related projects," Xi said, adding China is ready to welcome its neighbours "to get on board the train of China's development."
TRAINING PLACES

China will also provide neighboring countries with 20,000 places for training "connectivity professionals" over the next five years, Xi said.

China has sought to address fears in the region - and globally - that its bounding economic growth will inevitably bring about a more assertive, muscular diplomatic and military approach to issues such as territorial disputes.

One of the ways it has done this is to offer large loans to places like Southeast Asia and Africa, to show that China is a benign growing power only interested in helping others escape poverty in the way it has itself over the past three decades.

Last month, Xi unveiled the $50 billion China-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, seen as a challenge to the World Bank and Asian Development Bank, both multilateral lenders that count Washington and its allies as their biggest financial backers.

China has sought to allay concerns that its new bank aims to undermine the World Bank and Asian Development Bank, saying it wants to learn from their experience and that there are more than enough projects around for all the lenders to fund.
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China assures rail link with Nepal
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KATHMANDU, DEC 28 - China has expressed its readiness to extend its rail network to the Nepal border, urging Nepal to conduct a feasibility study for the same within its territory.

During bilateral talks in Kathmandu on Friday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi agreed to expand the railway up to Kerung. He urged Nepal to conduct a feasibility study so that the railway could be extended to Kathmandu and beyond.

According to a communiqué posted on the Chinese foreign ministry’s website on Saturday, China is willing to extend the line from Shigatse to the Nepali territory. China had agreed in principle to extend the Qinghai-Tibet Railway to Nepal.

“During the talks, the Chinese side asked us to conduct a feasibility study if Nepal wants the network expanded into its territory,” Foreign Minister Mahendra Bahadur Pandey, who led the Nepali side in the talks, told the Post.

Nepal has yet to formally propose with China for the extension of the Chinese rail up to the Nepal border.

The Qinghai-Tibet Railway reached Shigatse in August. With the 253-km track linked to Tibet’s second city, the high-elevation railway has reached closer to Nepal.

Shigatse is 540 km from Kerung, the nearest Chinese town from Nepal. The bordering Nepali district of Rasuwa is 35 km from there. Officials said there is the possibility of Chinese assistance for expanding the rail network within the Nepali territory.
During the meeting, the Chinese side also promised to build an alternative cargo route from Rasuwagadhi to Kathmandu . The central government in Beijing is said to be considering these two proposals. Both the sides agreed to make optimum use of Araniko Highway to ensure smooth passage of goods while they agreed to increase the number of flights between the two countries.

In the field of tourism, China would continue to encourage its citizens to travel to Nepal while it welcomed Nepalis to Tibet-Kailash- Mansarovar pilgrimage. China also proposed to establish Chinese cultural centres in Nepal and invited 100 young Nepalis to visit the Confucius Institute in China.

According to the Chinese foreign ministry, China is willing to help Nepal to carry out preliminary planning and study for establishing Special Economic Zones and to encourage Chinese enterprises to invest in Nepal for the creation of industrial parks.

Besides, China would assist in Nepal’s bid for industrialisation and human resource enhancement. In agriculture, the Chinese side offered to share technology and explore further possibilities of help in rice, livestock and organic farming. China assured to encourage its enterprises to participate in infrastructure development particularly in Nepal’s hydropower sector, airports and highways. It decided to set up a joint laboratory to look into climate change and environmental effects in Nepal.

“China is also willing to increase training in all aspects of Nepali talent. Next year, we will provide 500 training slots for Nepal in various fields under the Excellence Scholarship framework,” read the communiqué.

“China is willing to strengthen coordination and cooperation with Nepal on major international issues.”
That line would be passing some quite hilly terrain...
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Standard gauge line reaches Hekou
Railway Gazette 08 Dec 2014

A train from Kunming stands at Mengzi Bei station.

CHINA: Test running on the 142 km standard gauge line between Mengzi and Hekou in southern Yunnan province began at the start of December.

When commercial passenger services start in early 2015, a journey between the provincial capital Kunming and the Vietnamese border should take around 6 h 30 min. The electrified railway has been built in several phases through extremely challenging terrain; construction of the new alignment running south from a junction with at Yuxi began in 2009; the civil works budget was around 6·9bn yuan. Maximum speed is 130 km/h.

At Hekou, passengers can cross the river via a border point to reach the Vietnamese town of Lao Cai, from where DSVN operates trains over its metre gauge line to Hanoi.

China’s new line partly parallels the 1 000 mm gauge railway from Hekou to Kunming via Kaiyuan, over which passenger traffic ceased more than a decade ago following flood damage, save for a 35 km stub which provides an infrequent suburban service around Kunming. China retains aspirations to run through trains to Hanoi as part of its trans-ASEAN railway vision; one option would be for the Vietnamese line to be fitted with an additional running rail to permit dual gauge operation.

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11 Railway projects in Yunnan provinces including Dali - Ruili line (大瑞铁路) with the price tags of 25,730 Million Yuan, Yuxi - Mohan (玉磨铁路 - 玉溪-磨憨 铁路) with the price tags of 44,510 Million Yuan and Major upgrading of Kunming - Yuxi (49.3 km) to run at 200 kph max speed
http://www.ectpa.org/article/qywl/gj...00036269.shtml
http://yn.xinhuanet.com/newscenter/2..._133830239.htm

Opening the railway line from Mengzhi to Hekou checkpoint (蒙自—河口 -> 蒙河铁路) with the distance of 141 km on 10 December 2014 - with the train from Kunming to Hekou 2 times a day and travelling time is 6 hour due to the fact that the max speed of this line is 120 kph with ticket reservations shown as follows
1. Soft sleeper 182 Yuan
2. Hard sleeper 121.50 Yuan
3. Seat 70.5 Yuan
http://yn.xinhuanet.com/newscenter/2..._133841346.htm

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Kunming to Vietnam border by rail soon to be reality
This article was posted by Patrick Scally in News and published December 5, 2014

Yunnan's newest railroad opened this week to test traffic, indicating work is all but finished following more than five years of slow and steady construction. Although more of an extension than a dedicated line, the Mengzi-Hekou Railway Line (蒙河铁路) will soon allow freight and passenger traffic from Kunming to travel uninterrupted to an international border.

The new section of track runs for 142 kilometers through Honghe Hani and Yi Autonomous Prefecture and connects the city of Mengzi (蒙自) to Hekou (河口) and its busy border crossing. Passengers on this line can expect a one-way trip in either direction to last roughly 90 minutes and speeds on the few straight stretches to reach 100 kilometers per hour.

The line completes almost six years of construction aimed at connecting Kunming to Hekou by rail. When passenger tickets go on sale —presumably before the new year — travelers will be able to ride from Kunming to the Vietnam border in six and a half hours. In the future, the modern railway is expected enhance tourism and commerce in southern Yunnan and one day extend all the way to Hanoi.

The railway linking the Spring City to one of the province's most important and lucrative border towns has cost an estimated 6.93 billion yuan (US$1.12 billion) since construction began in 2009. Unlike many of the giant and costly infrastructure projects currently underway in Yunnan, the Mengzi-Hekou project appears to have beaten a 2016 deadline by more than a year.

Part of a much larger endeavor, the Mengzi-Hekou section is simply one step towards the slow realization of China's plan to connect Kunming by rail with Southeast Asian capitals. Known as the Trans-Asian Railway (泛亚铁路 / 泛亞鐵路), the scheme involves high-speed trunk lines heading to Hanoi as well as the Kunming-Laos-Thailand Line and the Kunming-Ruili-Myanmar Line.

Those plans will not be completely realized for years to come, as exemplified by the state of railways in northern Vietnam. Hekou sits across the Honghe River from the Vietnamese city of Lào Cai, which does indeed have railway service to Hanoi. However, those tracks are narrow gauge, built more than a century ago, and are completely incompatible with more modern trains traveling inside China.

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Here is the schedule for Kunming - Hekou railway
Kunming to mengzi K9812/3
Kunming depart 07:37
mengzi arrive 12:05

Kunming to mengzi K9816/7
Kunming depart 12:58
mengzi arrive 18:22

Kunming to Hekou K9832/3
Kunming depart 09:32
Hekou North arrive 15:51

Kunming to Hekou K9836/7
Kunming depart 17:38
Hekou North arrive 23:44

Mengzi to Kunming K9814/1
Mengzi depart 12:38
Kunming arrive 17:03

Kunming to mengzi K9818/5
Mengzi depart 18:52
Kunming arrive 23:25

Hekou - Kunming - Dali K9690/1/2/3
Hekou North depart 16:22
Kunming arrive 22:35 depart 23:08
Dali arrive 07:22

Hekou to Kunming K9838/5
Hekou North depart 06:20
Kunming arrive 12:20


http://yn.wenweipo.com/tianmei/ShowA...rticleID=73750
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But then why via Laos at all?
China and Thailand have no border but Mekong River looks to be directly between Kunming and Chiang Mai. What would be the shorter way to Thailand - on east bank across the far corner of Laos, or instead on west bank across far corner of Burma?
Burmese border it too unstable.

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I'm speculating here because I haven't seen the proposed route of the HSR to Vietianne. I think that it would be built in close proximity to the river , like contour it because more than likely the majority of the people would live along or close to it. Due to the absence of good quality roads etc the river is important so any such route would be accessible to most of the people. In other words the new transport links would gradually replace the river as the main method of transportation . In that particular section the river is vital.




If the route from China is heading to Thailand, it must pass through Laos and need to pass through Viangchan [Capital city] as demanded by Chinese faction within Lao Politburo. The line to pass through Northern line would not be realized unless Chinese creditor are willing to lend Thailand a cheap loan to construct the long ambition Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong route with a price tag of 77275 Million Baht as demanded by Northern Thai people as well as Thai government ... This is due to the fact that construction cost for the route from Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai via Phayao is 6 times the cost for construction of Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong route, not to mention higher maintenance cost of frequent rail replacement or so even though Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai via Phayao is shorter and it is what those Chiang Mai people want. Such a route should be realized ONLY after Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong has become a reality.
http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewN...=9570000120188
http://www.reic.or.th/News/News_Deta...x?newsid=47646
http://www.thanonline.com/index.php?...417#.VKESFCsKA



Here is the route of Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khon which Thai people want which is definitely in conflict with Chinese demand for Chiang Mai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong Route with a price tag of 77275 Million Baht.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVnQoHq4yPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9jVNLDQNyE

World Bank hinting that they are going to grant loan to construct Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong all the way to Ban Phachi as Chinese government deliberately ignored this line because this line does not pass through Chiang Mai but heading directly to Bangkok but this is still under negotiation with MoF and SRT from Bangsue Central to Nong Khai as well as the line from Kaeng Khoi - Chachoengsao - Laem Chabang
http://www.thanonline.com/index.php?...8#.VI1YltKsV1R

Demand for Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong is so great that MoT - OTP - and Government cannot wait for standard gauge version - need to run meter gauge version to connect with existing Thai railway networks First and foremost of all.
http://www.thanonline.com/index.php?...417#.VKER2CsKC


List of stations along Chiang Mai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong with a price tag of 77275 Million Baht as Thai people demand and should NEVER being alienated by Chinese investors' demands.

0 Denchai (เด่นชัย) - Major station - km 533 + 532 - แทนอาคารสถานีเด่นชัยเดิม
1 Soong Men (สูงเม่น) - Minor station - km 547 + 750
2 Phrae (แพร่) - Major station - km 560 + 500
3 Mae Kham Mee (แม่คำมี) -a minor station - dropping point for Nong Muang Khai - km 572 + 250
4 Nong Siaw (หนองเสี้ยว) - stopping place - km 584 + 200
5 Song (สอง) - minor station - km 590 + 900

Passing through 1100-meter long Ban Klang tunnel in Song district of Phrae (km 606+200 - km 607+300)
and 6300-meter Mae Teeb tunnel in Ngao district of Lampang (km 609+100 - km 615+400)

6 Mae Teeb (แม่ตีบ) - stopping place - km 617 + 925
7 Ngao (งาว) - minor station - km 636 + 975
8 Pong Tao (ปงเตา) - stopping place - km 642 + 300
passing the 2800-meter Mae Ka tunnel in Mueang District (km 663+400 - km 666+200)

9 Phayao University - (มหาวิทยาลัยพะเยา) minor station - km 670 + 700
10 Ban Thok Kwak - (บ้านโทกหวาก) stopping place - km 677 + 600
11 Phayao station (พะเยา) - major station - km 683 + 600
12 Dong Jen (ดงเจน) - stopping place - km 689 + 800
13 Ban Raung (บ้านร้อง) - stopping place - km 696 + 600
14 Ban Mai (บ้านใหม่) - stopping place - km 709 + 900
15 Pa Daed (ป่าแดด) - minor station - km 724 + 500
16 Pa Ngae (ป่าแงะ) - stopping place - km 732 + 715
17 Ban Pong Kluea (บ้านโป่งเกลือ) - stopping place - km 743 + 025
18 San Pa Heang (สันป่าเหียง) - stopping place - km 756 + 600
19 Chiang Rai (เชียงราย) - Major station - km 771 + 800
20 Thung Kor (ทุ่งก่อ) - stopping placs - km 785 + 500
21 Wiang Chiang Rung (เวียงเชียงรุ้ง) - minor station - km 796 + 425
22 Ban Pa Sang junction (ชุมทางบ้านป่าซาง) - minor station - km 756 + 600

passing the 3400-meter Doi Luang tunnel in Chiang Saen district of Chiang Rai (km 816+600 - km 820+000)

23 Bang Kiang (บ้านเกี๋ยง) - stopping place - km 829 + 300
24 Sri Don Chai (ศรีดอนชัย) - Stopping place - km 839 + 300
25 Chiang Khong (เชียงของ) - near the foot of the 4th Friendship Brdige - Minor station (km 852 + 750)
Branch line to Chiang Saen
Chiang Saen (เชียงแสน) - EOL of branch line - 24.252 km from Ban Pa Sang junction => km 780 + 852

http://denchai-chiangrairailway.com/PDF/paper_M2.pdf

http://denchai-chiangrairailway.com/route.html

http://denchai-chiangrairailway.com/[email protected]

this is the route map which Thai people have designed for Chiang Mai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong with a price tag of 77275 Million Baht


Chiang Rai depot - Chiang rai station - Wiang Thong - Ban lao Chaoroen rat
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Ban Sanyao Junction - for the route to Chiang Saen
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Doi Tha Chang - Ban Sia - Chiang Khong station - EOL at km 858+625
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Overall route
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


First section in Phrae
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Section 2 in Ngao district of Lampang
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


Section 3 in Phayao
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater



Section 4 in Chiang Rai
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

The whole set is here
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3490769&type=3
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After looking the maps for the proposed railway lines from China to Thailand via Laos and Myanmar, it has reminded that many Chinese map drawing men have little understanding about Thai railway networks - take a look here:


Map of Thai railway network including the dashed lines which are the proposed line which Chinese investors should concern when they are about to invest by granting loan or so.


Map of the Northern lines including Sawankhaloke branch line with the dash line to the foot of 4th Friendship Bridge in Chiang Khong district of Chiang Rai - first of all you need to invest on Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong line (dash line) first before investing on the line from Chiang Mai to connect with Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong line (dash line) at Phayao or so. Other dash lines are the lines to Mae Sod which there are lots of conflicts which line to be done first


Northeastern line networks - the semi High speed train from Viengchan has to follow the existing line all the way to Kaeng Khoi (main junction) though - with an exception on the tunnel and curve correcting through 55 km section on Dong Phraya Yen (Kaeng Khoi - Pak Chong) since the line need to pass through Nakhon Ratchasima - Never try to rip away the old meter gauge line which has already been rehab for oil and gas trains along with rice-tapioca-sugar trains.


Southern line networks including the unfinished line to Tha Nun which has been frozen since 1956 due to the lack of fund - If you want the line to run to Padang besar - just following the existing Southern line with exception on curve correcting at Ban Pong along with the Branch lines


Eastern lines to Aranyaprathet as well as the line to Maptaphut and the bypass route to Kaeng Khoi - just following the existing line except the curve correction at Khao Chee Jan near the branch line to Ploo Ta Luang and Sattahip Naval Base.
http://www.xn--72c1ae0brb6hb9n.com/%...9%84%E0%B8%9F/
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Beijing believes in high speed railway to Russia:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-0...rail-link.html

But the plan is through Kazakhstan. What has Kazakhstan said about it?
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Why is it that such irrealistic proposals kept being made so regularly ?

I have been on the transsiberian 4 years ago, all the way from Moscow to Beijing.
I have met 3 kind of people on those trains :

- people who had to travel and took the train because it was the cheapest way ;
- rail enthusiasts like me (few) ;
- foreign people on holiday who wanted some kind of epic trip or adventure.

And, above everything, very few people took the trip for its entire length.
This train stop for several times, in large population centers, holiday resorts,
and locations with cultural content. Most passengers embark or stop at one of
those locations, may be, like I did, to restart their trip a few days later.

And each time the train stops, half of the population ends up on the platform,
to buy food, stretch legs, smoke a cigaret, take a picture... Between stops,
people move in the train, open windows, share food, play, etc...

Proposals for a high-speed line between Russia and China all concern a much more
direct route, with virtually no centre of interest or population encountered between
Moscow and Almaty. That's a 20 hours ride at least, with no stop in between, in
an interior looking very much like a plane, allowing much less movement and socializing,
so you more or less end up hooked to your seat for the whole journey.

The price for such a train would be certainly 3 or 4 times higher than the existing
transsiberian tickets, which makes the air prices competitive.

Who would want to take a train in those conditions if a flight costs the same, offers
the same comfort, but takes only a fourth of the time ? That's no epic trip anymore,
offers nothing of interest for rail buffs, and is too expensive for the majority of
the population. Those who can pay will fly.

There would be no market for more than one train per day, very optimistic. Even if
hordes of chinese people decide to come visiting Russia.

There are reports issued in France for the moment saying that high speed lines
having a few trains per hour (not per day) only are not profitable enough. Who would
put money on a high speed line with only a few trains per day ?

What's the (hidden?) agenda of people issuing such proposals ?
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