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Old June 22nd, 2015, 10:32 AM   #161
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Old November 13th, 2015, 06:55 PM   #162
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China, Laos to sign an agreement for railway cooperation
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._134814235.htm
BEIJING, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese and Laotian governments signed an agreement here Friday on the construction of a cross-border railway to boost economic cooperation and regional growth.

The railroad will stretch 418 km to link the two country's border area, Mohan and Boten ports, and Lao's capital Vientiane, with joint investment totalling 40 billion yuan (6.28 billion U.S. dollars), 70 percent from China and 30 percent from Laos, according to the agreement.

As over 60 percent of the railway runs through bridges and tunnels, the operating speed is designed at 160 km per hour.

Wang Xiaotao, deputy head of the National Development and Reform Commission, expects the railway to start operating in 2020 and said it will spur economic and social development in Laos and generate fresh impetus to China's southwestern regions.

The railway will also reach Thailand and Malaysia in the future and Chinese tourists will be able to travel to those countries by train, Wang said.
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Old November 21st, 2015, 11:34 PM   #163
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High-speed rail to link China to Iran

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11...hran-Silk-Road



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Chinese authorities have proposed a high-speed railway connecting its western city of Urumqi to Tehran, the country’s biggest English-language newspaper, China Daily, says.

The proposed Silk Road route will connect China to West Asia, stretching from Urumqi and Yining to Almaty in Kazakhstan, Bishkek in Kyrgyzstan, Tashkent and Samarkand in Uzbekistan, Ashgabat in Turkmenistan to the Iranian capital.

It was put forward by China Railway Corp authorities at a forum on the One Belt, One Road initiative -- the Asian giant’s bold scheme to rebuild Silk Road trade links with Europe and Asia.

Iran is participating in the ambitious plan to resurrect the Silk Road, connecting Asia to Europe and Africa through a network of roads, railways, ports and airports.

Stretching from Hungary to Indonesia, Beijing estimates the initiative will annually create more than $2.5 trillion of trade among the countries in a decade.

The new link would be complementary to the existing railway network in central Asian nations, which mostly runs to Moscow.

Iran is currently linked to Central Asia through a rail corridor which connects it to Kazakhstan and Russia through Turkmenistan, and another to Europe via Turkey.

The One Belt, One Road initiative comes from the shortening of the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road.

The two routes combined encompass a territory housing 4.4 billion people or 63% of the world’s population. The aggregate wealth of the countries involved adds up to $2.1 trillion or 29% of the world’s gross domestic product.

The initiative would involve financing infrastructure projects in 65 nations across Central and Southeast Asia, the Persian Gulf, the Middle East and Europe.

The ancient Silk Road, established more than 2,100 years ago, connected the Han dynasty’s capital of Xian to Persia.

Through it, Iran’s grapes, beans, pomegranates, spinach, onions and other special products were introduced into China while tea, ginger, mulberries, peaches, apricots and oranges were brought to Iran over a period of more than 1,000 years.

Earlier this year, Chinese authorities toured Iranian ports, including Shahid Rajaee in the Persian Gulf, to assess infrastructure development grounds.

Apart from its economic significance, the grand project is believed to lead to significant geopolitical changes.

According to many observers, it could spell the collapse of US economic dominance through the dollar and lead to the prevalence of trade in local currencies. It could also put an end to European monopoly on international shipping.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 02:46 AM   #164
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More details emerge as Boten-Vientiane railway is about to start construction

Today's West China Metropolis Daily has a nice piece about details of the Laos railway..... Link of the article (Chinese) are posted below

http://www.wccdaily.com.cn/shtml/hxd...9/313219.shtml

They interviewed engineers in China Railway Eryuan Engineering Group who have undertaken the feasibility study on Boten-Vientiane railway.

I will try to list some of the key points in this article

1. Construction starts early Dec.

2. route starts from Boten, then pass through Louang Namtha Province, Oudomxai Province, Louangphabang Province and Vientiane Province, end at Vientiane

3. total length: 427km
bridge number and length: 162/68.093km
tunnel number and length: 72/183.978km
bridges+tunnels/total length = 59%

4. key stone projects: 2 bridges, 7 tunnels

Mekong River Bridge No1: 1220m
Mekong River Bridge No2: 1436m

Friendship Tunnel: 9592m (2430m within Laos border )
Kong Lang Tunnel: 8150m
Wa Nu Mountain Tunnel: 8185m
Fu Ge Tunnel: 8880m
Ka Tunnel: 8005m
Sen Tunnel: 9405m
La Meng Mountain Tunnel: 8055m

5. Station number: 33, open 21 initially; 12 more in the future

6. Speed: 160km/h (VangVieng-Vientiane can be upgraded to 200km/h)

7. Contruction period: 5 years, finish at the end of 2020
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Old November 29th, 2015, 12:33 PM   #165
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Today's West China Metropolis Daily has a nice piece about details of the Laos railway..... Link of the article (Chinese) are posted below

Friendship Tunnel: 9592m (2430m within Laos border )
Kong Lang Tunnel: 8150m
Wa Nu Mountain Tunnel: 8185m
Fu Ge Tunnel: 8880m
Ka Tunnel: 8005m
Sen Tunnel: 9405m
La Meng Mountain Tunnel: 8055m
Thanks a lot for the overview. For the highlighted tunnel is the rest then in China? That's a lot of tunnels for a medium speed railway.

Maybe you have a map somewhere? Would be helpful for those of us totally not familiar with geography of that part of the world... How does it connect with China's own railway network? In the future I guess also to Thailand.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 03:02 PM   #166
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engineers in China Railway Eryuan Engineering Group who have undertaken the feasibility study on Boten-Vientiane railway.
1. Construction starts early Dec.
2. route starts from Boten,
3. total length: 427km
4. key stone projects: 2 bridges, 7 tunnels
Friendship Tunnel: 9592m (2430m within Laos border )
6. Speed: 160km/h (VangVieng-Vientiane can be upgraded to 200km/h)
7. Contruction period: 5 years, finish at the end of 2020
What is the distance by rail between Kunming and Boten?
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Old November 29th, 2015, 06:07 PM   #167
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Thanks a lot for the overview. For the highlighted tunnel is the rest then in China? That's a lot of tunnels for a medium speed railway.

Maybe you have a map somewhere? Would be helpful for those of us totally not familiar with geography of that part of the world... How does it connect with China's own railway network? In the future I guess also to Thailand.
Yes, the rest of Friendship tunnel is in China. Actually I am surprised that there are fewer and shorter tunnels (no >10km tunnels) than previously thought, if you consider the rough terrain it passes through North Laos.

check the below wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunmin...gapore_Railway





This railway will connect to China's Yuxi--Mohan Raiway at border town Mohan, which is now under construction, and then connect to China provincial capital Kunming through upgraded link Kunming-Yuxi Railway



Some highlights of the Yuxi-Mohan railway....

http://yn.people.com.cn/news/yunnan/...-25869722.html

(in Chinese)

total length: 507km
speed: 160km/h
tunnels: 90/368km (there are 14 tunnels that are longer than 10km)
Bridges: 122/44km
total cost: 50bln+ RMB (~8bln US Dollars)
Construction time: 6 years


Some construction details are here (in Chinese)
http://222.221.5.178:8080/webpic/W02...8841228863.pdf
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Old November 29th, 2015, 06:12 PM   #168
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What is the distance by rail between Kunming and Boten?
existing Kuming-Yuxi railway: 55km (currently upgrading:, final speed 200km/h)

Yuxi-Boten(Mohan) railway under construction: 507km, speed 160km/h

so total is 55+507~560km
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Old November 29th, 2015, 06:58 PM   #169
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Thanks for the extra information - more or less clear now. That's some serious construction also in the corner of China which is among the least developed so far (right?). Although I guess 10km+ tunnels are kind of standard these days particularly in China with probably several dozen already in service or under construction. Construction costs in a terrain like this aren't low anymore, though.

Might be interesting some day to fly to Kunming and take a train down to Laos
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Old November 29th, 2015, 07:29 PM   #170
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Thanks for the extra information - more or less clear now. That's some serious construction also in the corner of China which is among the least developed so far (right?). Although I guess 10km+ tunnels are kind of standard these days particularly in China with probably several dozen already in service or under construction. Construction costs in a terrain like this aren't low anymore, though.

Might be interesting some day to fly to Kunming and take a train down to Laos
Indeed that's part of the underdeveloped area in China precisely because of the difficult terrain.... Gov wants to build infrastructure there to promote regional connectivity and also create local jobs....

In 2021 I think one can take overnight sleeper train from Kunming to Vientiane in 12hrs (~1000km)

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Old November 29th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #171
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Some construction details are here (in Chinese)
http://www.ynepb.gov.cn/zmhd/qygzcyg...8841228863.pdf
Broken link - did you have an alternative link?

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Fu Ge Tunnel: 8880m
This is Phu Kluea tunnel with the length of 8880 meter.

the reason why there is no tunnel longer than 10000 meter is due to the fact that they need more stop to meet the demands of local Lao people or Chinese settlers in Laos.

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Thanks a lot for the overview. For the highlighted tunnel is the rest then in China? That's a lot of tunnels for a medium speed railway.

Maybe you have a map somewhere? Would be helpful for those of us totally not familiar with geography of that part of the world... How does it connect with China's own railway network? In the future I guess also to Thailand.
For connecting with Chinese railway, Laos - China Friendship tunnel
For connection with Thai railway, the new friendship railway bridge in parallel with the existing Thai - Lao Friendship bridge as Nong Khai station for Thai - China railway will be on the yard of the existing Nong Khai station at km 621 + 100 from BKK but the new friendship railway bridge in parallel with the existing Thai - Lao Friendship bridge will have to be built to meet the old right of the way of Thai railway between Nong Khai station (km 621 + 100) and the defunct Talad Nong Khai stop (km 623 + 500 - closed since 2008).

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Thanks for the extra information - more or less clear now. That's some serious construction also in the corner of China which is among the least developed so far (right?). Although I guess 10km+ tunnels are kind of standard these days particularly in China with probably several dozen already in service or under construction. Construction costs in a terrain like this aren't low anymore, though.

Might be interesting some day to fly to Kunming and take a train down to Laos
Cost cutting matters as almost 7 billion US Dollar loan for Lao - China railway is about 70% of Lao GDP
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Broken link - did you have an alternative link?


This is Phu Kluea tunnel with the length of 8880 meter.

the reason why there is no tunnel longer than 10000 meter is due to the fact that they need more stop to meet the demands of local Lao people or Chinese settlers in Laos.



For connecting with Chinese railway, Laos - China Friendship tunnel
For connection with Thai railway, the new friendship railway bridge in parallel with the existing Thai - Lao Friendship bridge as Nong Khai station for Thai - China railway will be on the yard of the existing Nong Khai station at km 621 + 100 from BKK but the new friendship railway bridge in parallel with the existing Thai - Lao Friendship bridge will have to be built to meet the old right of the way of Thai railway between Nong Khai station (km 621 + 100) and the defunct Talad Nong Khai stop (km 623 + 500 - closed since 2008).



Cost cutting matters as almost 7 billion US Dollar loan for Lao - China railway is about 70% of Lao GDP
My bad....

http://222.221.5.178:8080/webpic/W02...8841228863.pdf

The railway will be 70 percent funded by China and 30 percent by Laos (total cost$6.28 billion).... So Laos immediate debt burden is not larger I think
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The railway will be 70 percent funded by China and 30 percent by Laos (total cost$6.28 billion).... So Laos immediate debt burden is not larger I think
6280 Million US Dollar is still 62.8% of LAO GDP and Laos is now carrying a public debt of 45% of GDP .. a serious concern indeed ...
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6280 Million US Dollar is still 62.8% of LAO GDP and Laos is now carrying a public debt of 45% of GDP .. a serious concern indeed ...
Shouldn't it cost Laos 30%*6.28bln=1.9bln? China owns 70% stake here.....I don't think it can cost less if you really want to build a railway across the treacherous terrain in North Laos. It is not a fancy "high speed" one... 120km/h for passenger/freight transport. top speed 160km/h
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total length: 507km
speed: 160km/h
tunnels: 90/368km (there are 14 tunnels that are longer than 10km)
Bridges: 122/44km
total cost: 50bln+ RMB (~8bln US Dollars)
Construction time: 6 years
6 years completing in which year?
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6 years completing in which year?
China section will be completed around 2021 if everything's on schedule
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Shouldn't it cost Laos 30%*6.28bln=1.9bln? China owns 70% stake here.....I don't think it can cost less if you really want to build a railway across the treacherous terrain in North Laos. It is not a fancy "high speed" one... 120km/h for passenger/freight transport. top speed 160km/h
That's probably true, but I guess the concern is how much economic gain Laos will be able to extract from this new infrastructure. Passenger traffic is unlikely to be profitable by itself (ignoring secondary beneficial effects) so it's about freight. What does Laos potentially have to export to China via rail?
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That's probably true, but I guess the concern is how much economic gain Laos will be able to extract from this new infrastructure. Passenger traffic is unlikely to be profitable by itself (ignoring secondary beneficial effects) so it's about freight. What does Laos potentially have to export to China via rail?
It is also connected to Thailand at the same time and it is always two-way trade. Plus it will be helpful for local tourism, such as VangVieng and Luang Prabang. It takes ridiculously long time to travel from Vientiane to VangVieng right now.....

One railway alone can be very difficult to be profitable if one only looks at the revenue directly generated from the railway transport. However I believe it will makes more economic sense if you consider the social benefits it creates and prospects of railway network

Also the money that Laos spend doesn't evaporate into thin air, it pays to labor forces
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China section will be completed around 2021 if everything's on schedule
Meaning Laos would complete their railway in 2020 and find no way to China?

How´s the progress of Bangkok-Vientiane 1435 mm line?
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Meaning Laos would complete their railway in 2020 and find no way to China?

How´s the progress of Bangkok-Vientiane 1435 mm line?
it is only 1-year gap, so I'm OK with it . I am more worried about the possible severe delay due to engineering challenge and land acquisition. The China section construction of China-Myanmar railway has already been delayed to 2020, twice the time than initially anticipated due to the impossible terrain it has to cross.....

Laos will benefit from the railway no matter what, it already connects three tourism zones by itself.

Thailand section will start construction around next May and finish at about the same time
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