daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old November 6th, 2008, 02:23 PM   #201
SeyMan
The Inhospitable Sea
 
SeyMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Zug
Posts: 267
Likes (Received): 59

Quote:
Originally Posted by rheintram View Post
@hans: France topography and settlement structure is very different from say the one in Austria, Southern Germany and Hungary. In Central Europe the population is very widespread withing a lot of midsized towns and cities. We have much less space, than France has, hence new rail corridors are hardly possible, so the existing ones have to be upgraded. Unlike France we don't have two or three huge metro areas and hardly anything in between (I'm exagerating, but I think you would agree). Hence it is absolutely necessary to serve cities like Ulm or Linz, to make the lines profitable and effizient. The truth is, the number of passengers who'd travel the whole distance Budapest-Paris, is rather small, compared to those who just travel a segement.

Btw. in Austria there are currently 35km of tunnels under construction which are part of the magistrale project (fitted for max speed of 250km/h). So it's a bit of a joke to claim that only France actually works on this project.
It is also the case that local politicians have less power in France. The central government still takes all major decisions, although France has become more and more de-centralized in the past 10 years.
SeyMan no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old November 6th, 2008, 05:07 PM   #202
[email protected]
Registered User
 
m@rco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Grenoble, FRA
Posts: 1,319
Likes (Received): 148

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeyMan View Post
There are two systems: the RER and the Transilien. (but 3 RER lines: RER C, RER D and RER E are also considered part of Transilien).
RER A (branchs Cergy/poissy) and RER B (branch CDG) are operated by SNCF so these RER are also "Transilien". As I said, it has been explained by Minato ku on the first post of this thread...


Quote:
Originally Posted by SeyMan View Post
Basically (but this is a rough approximation) RER offers more a metro style service with good frequencies and station density in the inner suburbs and some nearby outer suburbs.
[...]
As you say, it's a rough approximation...
Regarding the frequencies and the stops we can not claim: "RER is like this, Transilien is like that" ; it depends. The only thing we can say is the RER (in a normal way) goes through Paris and doesn't stop at a terminus railway station so it's an hybrid system between a subway and a suburban train. The only exception is the RER E that stops (for the moment) near Paris St Lazare...


Quote:
Originally Posted by SeyMan View Post
By the way, today there is a major strike and almost all Transilien and RER traffic is suspended.
http://www.tourmagazine.fr/Greve-SNC...ien_a8093.html

Last edited by [email protected]; November 6th, 2008 at 05:33 PM.
m@rco no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 18th, 2008, 12:18 AM   #203
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minato ku View Post
Saint Lazare suburban train

At Marly le Roi station
image hosted on flickr
What type of train is this? It looks newer than Z5300s.
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 18th, 2008, 06:44 PM   #204
Augusto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PAR THR KL SIN
Posts: 393
Likes (Received): 47

These is a Z6400. Those trains are almost as old as the Z5300 but much more reliables. They were ordered to replace the last trains operating with 750V third rail on the Saint Lazare network, when the conversion from the 750V third rail to the 25kV overhead was achieved in the 70, excepted on two short lines.
They can be seen on the Saint Lazare network on the Versailles-RD and Marly le Roi lines. They also second the RER A on the Cergy branch at peak hours. Before the opening of the RER B they were used between Gare du Nord and the then newly opened CDG airport on the "Roissyrail" service. They have been recently refurbished.
Btw, when the first number is a "5" (like Z5300) that's a rolling stock designed for the 1,5V network and "6" (like Z6400) is for 25kV.
Augusto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 20th, 2008, 01:43 PM   #205
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Is there a plan to preserve Z5300 in train museums?. They are real classics
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 20th, 2008, 07:05 PM   #206
Augusto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PAR THR KL SIN
Posts: 393
Likes (Received): 47

It's may be too early to answer, as they will serve on line N untill at least 2012.
But at least one Z5100, which Z5300 replaced on line N, has been preserved.
It was an unforgettable experience to take a ride on a Z5100 between Paris and Le Mans, specially if you sat above the engine..
Picture by bernard from the forum http://www.photos-de-trains.net/foru...pic.php?t=7288
Augusto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 20th, 2008, 08:04 PM   #207
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,759

Quote:
Originally Posted by Augusto View Post
These is a Z6400. Those trains are almost as old as the Z5300 but much more reliables. They were ordered to replace the last trains operating with 750V third rail on the Saint Lazare network, when the conversion from the 750V third rail to the 25kV overhead was achieved in the 70, excepted on two short lines.
The Z6400 is the best rolling stock of Paris suburban system.





__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2008, 12:12 PM   #208
christos-greece
Moderator!
 
christos-greece's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 176,994
Likes (Received): 244817

Quote:
Originally Posted by Augusto View Post
It's may be too early to answer, as they will serve on line N untill at least 2012.
But at least one Z5100, which Z5300 replaced on line N, has been preserved.
It was an unforgettable experience to take a ride on a Z5100 between Paris and Le Mans, specially if you sat above the engine..
Picture by bernard from the forum http://www.photos-de-trains.net/foru...pic.php?t=7288
WoW! That train is really old
__________________
Urban Showcase: Athens Kalamata Trikala Thessaloniki
Cityscapes: Paris Barcelona Dubai, U.A.E. Monte Carlo, Monaco
General photography: Castles of France - Chateau de France and, since May of '08: Greece!
christos-greece no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2008, 02:41 PM   #209
eomer
Bring Constantinople back
 
eomer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Val de Marne (Paris)
Posts: 14,005
Likes (Received): 4736

Quote:
Originally Posted by christos-greece View Post
WoW! That train is really old
It was allready old in 1979. They are still in operation: that's a shame.
__________________
Cordialement, Kind Regards
Eomer
Look to my coming, at first light, on the fifth day. At dawn, look to the East.
A l'aube du cinquième jour, regardez vers l'est
eomer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2008, 03:43 PM   #210
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by eomer View Post
It was allready old in 1979. They are still in operation: that's a shame.
It looks like TCDD E8000s which were bulit by Alsthom in 1955
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2008, 03:44 PM   #211
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

I liked the SNCF sign in fron of the train
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2008, 05:21 PM   #212
Augusto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PAR THR KL SIN
Posts: 393
Likes (Received): 47

Quote:
Originally Posted by eomer View Post
It was allready old in 1979. They are still in operation: that's a shame.
No, they have been withdrawn. But the newer version, the Z5300, is still in operation on lines N and D.
Augusto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 24th, 2008, 04:11 AM   #213
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,759

Yeh I never see one of them unlike the Z5300.
As I know the Z5100 used to run in the former ligne des Coteaux (now LRT )

Last day of the ligne des Coteaux in 1993




We also see that Z5100 trains had third rail version for this line.
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 24th, 2008, 04:58 AM   #214
Augusto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PAR THR KL SIN
Posts: 393
Likes (Received): 47

If I'm not wrong, the last line the Z5100 served in Paris area was TER Paris-Chartres-Le Mans.
I think their farewell trip was on one of the shuttles inside the cities of Orléans (les Aubrais) and Tours (Saint Pierre des corps).
I also remember them serving the shuttle for SNCF staff only between Trappes and Trappes-Triage.
Augusto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 24th, 2008, 06:54 AM   #215
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,759

As I see in Wikipedia the last were used in 1996 as "les navettes Orléans-Les Aubrais" a line between the two main stations of Orleans.
Now this line is served by the Z5300.
Anyway it is not really the subject of this thread, Orleans is close to Paris but not enouth close to be inside Paris metropolitan area.
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 24th, 2008, 10:21 AM   #216
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Are there any elevated or underground stations in Paris?
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old December 15th, 2008, 04:31 PM   #217
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Are there any Transilien trains working in RER lines?
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old December 15th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #218
GENIUS LOCI
No More Italian Mod
 
GENIUS LOCI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Milano
Posts: 35,327
Likes (Received): 11132

Quote:
Originally Posted by serdar samanlı View Post
Are there any elevated or underground stations in Paris?
Are you kidding? There are plenty
__________________
URBANFILE
GENIUS LOCI no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old December 15th, 2008, 09:20 PM   #219
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,759

Quote:
Originally Posted by serdar samanlı View Post
Are there any Transilien trains working in RER lines?
The rolling stock used in the RER C and D run also in other suburban network.
Infact SNCF RER are Transilien but we commonly use this term only for the suburban train outside RER.
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 05:29 PM   #220
serdar samanlı
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vienna
Posts: 792
Likes (Received): 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by GENIUS LOCI View Post
Are you kidding? There are plenty
I am talking about heavy-rail not metro
serdar samanlı no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
paris, paris transport

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium