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Old March 11th, 2011, 10:50 AM   #361
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Ah, the Transilien... The suburban train system of Paris, all right? RER is another suburban train system that covers Paris like a subway.
Er ... it is a little bit more complex, but yes, basically it's right.
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Old March 12th, 2011, 06:30 AM   #362
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This month, International Rail Journal has an article about the new regional trains for the French trains, the Régiolis project. The trains will be built by Alstom and are of the Coradia Polyvalent type. SNCF has signed a framework agreement with Alstom for the delivery of up to a 1000 trains... which is a huge amount.

Anyway, here's the article.




The original pages can be found in the IRJ online edition, March 2011, but I snapped screenshots because I consider the Flash reader app to be horrible.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #363
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Old March 16th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #364
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I found a video of the Z50000 interior by night.


Unlike what say the title of the video, this train does not run on the RER B.

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This month, International Rail Journal has an article about the new regional trains for the French trains, the Régiolis project. The trains will be built by Alstom and are of the Coradia Polyvalent type. SNCF has signed a framework agreement with Alstom for the delivery of up to a 1000 trains... which is a huge amount.

Anyway, here's the article.




The original pages can be found in the IRJ online edition, March 2011, but I snapped screenshots because I consider the Flash reader app to be horrible.
Thank you !
As I said earlier, France had a boom of the regional rail traffic in the last decade.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 11:25 AM   #365
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Externally this one reminds me the Stadler Flirt.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #366
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Externally this one reminds me the Stadler Flirt.
Speaking of which, I wonder if French regulations allow for the purchase of off-the-shelf rolling stock, such as the Stadler FLIRT, the Siemens Desiro ML or the Bombardier Talent 2.
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Old May 3rd, 2011, 12:21 AM   #367
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Speaking of which, I wonder if French regulations allow for the purchase of off-the-shelf rolling stock, such as the Stadler FLIRT, the Siemens Desiro ML or the Bombardier Talent 2.
I don't see any reason why they wouldn't. However, SNCF has always ordered trains from Alstom, so it's unlikely to change.
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Old May 14th, 2011, 03:12 AM   #369
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Externally this one reminds me the Stadler Flirt.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #371
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Such a nice and modern train doesn't fit those terrible, outdated station approaches at Gare de l'Est (the problem repeats with Gare de Lyon). They should build tunnels on the approaches of those stations and demolish these old, outdated bridges - or at least leave them only to commuter rail traffic.

Indeed, as I usually say, France should build a deep underground, avant-grade, minimalist station near Paris Bercy station, and build tunnels so that any HS train reaching Paris doesn't mix with local/commuter/regional traffic at all. There is nothing better than arrive at a major city via underground tracks that are modern all the way, instead of century-old tracks surrounded by derelict buildings, graffiti and very low speeds.

However, in the case of Paris, that would be also a tremendous boost to intra-European high-speed traffic for those who think it is ok to stay 7h in a train instead of 2h in a plane. Paris is the center, the critical nod of high-speed travel in Europe, but as there are 3/4 termini of high-speed services (some insist to consider Gare du Nord and Gare de L'Est as a single station although there is no tunnel or overpass linking them ), what would be otherwise a "passable" rail option like London-Lyon, Bruxelles-Genéve or Amsterdam-Orleans includes a shoddy, perilous and uncomfortable journey though Paris Metro.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 12:36 PM   #372
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I don't see any reason why they wouldn't. However, SNCF has always ordered trains from Alstom, so it's unlikely to change.
I, too, see no reasons but it is a fact that French authorities refused for SBB Flirts of Regio-S-Bahn Basel to enter ito France...
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The train looks very nice, though, and designed exclusively as a regional train for french regions, so anyway I think it would have been chosen as the winner tender over other options in equal conditions. In particular, placing the engines (electric/diesel) on the roof is a very good solution which the Stalder FLIRT does not have.
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I'm not too sure about that. I could imagine that putting the engines on the roof can cause issues regarding vibrations and hence comfort. And it will certainly result in a higher centre of mass and the need for a stronger framework, i. e. a higher net weight.
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I'm not too sure about that. I could imagine that putting the engines on the roof can cause issues regarding vibrations and hence comfort. And it will certainly result in a higher centre of mass and the need for a stronger framework, i. e. a higher net weight.
"Alstom has employed a MAN diesel engine which, together with the alternator, is fixed on an elastic mounting to the frame of the power pack. Between the power pack and the roof there is a second damping layer to further supress vibration. Alstom says that roof-mounted engines reduce interior vibration because most noise is emitted from the upper surface of the engine. Furthermore, the mounting of electrical equipment on the roof has allowed the designers to do away with most feeder pillars, another source of vibration and noise"

That's on the posted article.

I agree with the higher centre of mass, but this is a specifically-designed regional train, not a high-speed TGV, so that's not worrisome.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #377
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Such a nice and modern train doesn't fit those terrible, outdated station approaches at Gare de l'Est (the problem repeats with Gare de Lyon). They should build tunnels on the approaches of those stations and demolish these old, outdated bridges - or at least leave them only to commuter rail traffic.

Indeed, as I usually say, France should build a deep underground, avant-grade, minimalist station near Paris Bercy station, and build tunnels so that any HS train reaching Paris doesn't mix with local/commuter/regional traffic at all. There is nothing better than arrive at a major city via underground tracks that are modern all the way, instead of century-old tracks surrounded by derelict buildings, graffiti and very low speeds.

However, in the case of Paris, that would be also a tremendous boost to intra-European high-speed traffic for those who think it is ok to stay 7h in a train instead of 2h in a plane. Paris is the center, the critical nod of high-speed travel in Europe, but as there are 3/4 termini of high-speed services (some insist to consider Gare du Nord and Gare de L'Est as a single station although there is no tunnel or overpass linking them ), what would be otherwise a "passable" rail option like London-Lyon, Bruxelles-Genéve or Amsterdam-Orleans includes a shoddy, perilous and uncomfortable journey though Paris Metro.
Only London and Madrid have a such link between stations :






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What would be otherwise a "passable" rail option like London-Lyon, Bruxelles-Genéve or Amsterdam-Orleans includes a shoddy, perilous and uncomfortable journey though Paris Metro.
The LGV Interconnexion Est is already used for these kind of services.

But that's past Paris, passengers can't profit from a quick change of trains in Paris that has much more services.

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About the new Régiolis sets, it does look like the Coradia Polyvalent is developed from the Coradia Lirex. That train was a development around the year 2000 by Alstom LHB GmbH, now Alstom Transport Deutschland for regional services in Germany. The first order for this type of train was for the suburban services around Stockholm. In 2008 the DB also received the 1st trains based on this development, but these are branded Coradia Continental. All of these types have the equipment on the roof just like the new French trains.

It does look like Alstom only gave it a new name and a French look to make it appear that it's actually a new French development when in reality it's much more international.

btw, I can't say that I appreciate the AGV look on this regional train. I rather see the Stadler Flirt and then especially the new sets for the Norwegian railways.
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Only London and Madrid have a such link between stations :
You're forgetting Brussels, where there are 3 parallel, double track tunnels between the North and the South (midi) station. See Wikipedia
Between them there are 2 smaller stations and the Central station, which is the busiest station in Belgium, but only has 6 tracks.

If you'd suggest the same project now, it wouldn't be built ever.
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However, in the case of Paris, that would be also a tremendous boost to intra-European high-speed traffic for those who think it is ok to stay 7h in a train instead of 2h in a plane. Paris is the center, the critical nod of high-speed travel in Europe, but as there are 3/4 termini of high-speed services (some insist to consider Gare du Nord and Gare de L'Est as a single station although there is no tunnel or overpass linking them ), what would be otherwise a "passable" rail option like London-Lyon, Bruxelles-Genéve or Amsterdam-Orleans includes a shoddy, perilous and uncomfortable journey though Paris Metro.
The SNCF has decided to solve this problem in much more economical way. There are allready "intersector" TGVs, like Lille - Dijon or Brussel - Marseille. The idea is to have a integrated interval schedule for those services, with interchanges between services in places like Lille, CDG, Dijon and Lyon. The Paris terminals would thus only be used by people actually having Paris as destination.
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