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Old October 12th, 2011, 03:28 PM   #521
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And there is no information about Paris - Rome train. Whole web page doesn't look good.
There will be no night trains to Rome at least until June 2012. Passengers can connect with 30 daily Milan-Rome fast trains. Much better than adding 5h30 on old tracks with a night train!
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Old October 13th, 2011, 08:17 AM   #522
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There will be no night trains to Rome at least until June 2012. Passengers can connect with 30 daily Milan-Rome fast trains. Much better than adding 5h30 on old tracks with a night train!
But having to get up at 5 o clock in the morning is something not all passengers will appreciate... And a HST doesn't save you that much time over just continuing the night train if you consider that Trenitalia probably won't want to sell you a ticket for a train to Rome unless it leaves an hour after your arrival by nighttrain in Milano...
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But having to get up at 5 o clock in the morning is something not all passengers will appreciate... And a HST doesn't save you that much time over just continuing the night train if you consider that Trenitalia probably won't want to sell you a ticket for a train to Rome unless it leaves an hour after your arrival by nighttrain in Milano...
Milan will be a final destination of one of such trains. Maybe they will schedule a very late departure from Paris-Bercy like 0h30, so that trains arrive in Milano around 8h - still abysmal, as a day train can complete the trip in less than 6h travel time.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #524
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Milan will be a final destination of one of such trains. Maybe they will schedule a very late departure from Paris-Bercy like 0h30, so that trains arrive in Milano around 8h - still abysmal, as a day train can complete the trip in less than 6h travel time.
They could also do something similar to what the Caledonian sleeper does: Just leave the train standing in the station for a while, so that passengers can sleep in.
Leave Paris at a normal time (around 9 in the evening), drop some cars in Milano and have part of the train continue to Venice, and part to Rome.

Rumors have it that Thello also wants a commercial stop in Switzerland. That would point towards an early departure in Paris, rather than a late one...
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But having to get up at 5 o clock in the morning is something not all passengers will appreciate... And a HST doesn't save you that much time over just continuing the night train if you consider that Trenitalia probably won't want to sell you a ticket for a train to Rome unless it leaves an hour after your arrival by nighttrain in Milano...
I would definitely prefer to wake up at 9 o'clock so I have to change trains in Venize so the route is much longer.

Bercelona, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Rome are the biggest tourist cities in Europe and there is market for overnight trains between all of them.

Elipsos prove that good service, promotions, marketing and quality makes the night train 100% full. Elipsos 1st class with shower, a la carte menu in train restaurant and continental breakfast is night to remember.
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Old October 15th, 2011, 09:41 AM   #526
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They could also do something similar to what the Caledonian sleeper does: Just leave the train standing in the station for a while, so that passengers can sleep in.
Leave Paris at a normal time (around 9 in the evening), drop some cars in Milano and have part of the train continue to Venice, and part to Rome.
Exactly, arrive in Milano early and then sleepers stay standing until 9:30 or so and people could leave train or sleep further.

Some overnight ships make like this. Arrive at night 3:00 for example but passengers can leave either 3:00 or 6:00 or 8:00 whatever time they like, very good solution.
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It seems quite a waste of space to leave a train idling in a platform on morning peak time...
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It seems quite a waste of space to leave a train idling in a platform on morning peak time...
Yes, but likely necessary as the morning rush prevents any open paths for the run back to the carriage depot for cleaning and provisioning. Older European terminal stations tend to be massive affairs (a legacy of infrastructure intensive locomotive hauled trains), so the tradeoff is not that great, perhaps.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #529
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It seems quite a waste of space to leave a train idling in a platform on morning peak time...
Milano Centrale has a lot of spare capacity. Even during the morning peak...
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 12:49 PM   #530
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Where can I find a detailed map with all railways from France (including closed railways)?
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Old October 27th, 2011, 03:30 AM   #531
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Thello schedule

Thello trains, a Trenitalia-Veolia joint venture, will start operating Dec. 11th on this schedule:



What I really don't understand is why Dijon-Milano takes 75min more than Milano-Dijon
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What I really don't understand is why Dijon-Milano takes 75min more than Milano-Dijon
Does one direction have significantly more uphill than the other, perchance?
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Old October 27th, 2011, 08:03 AM   #533
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What I really don't understand is why Dijon-Milano takes 75min more than Milano-Dijon
I believe its got to do with peak hour sharing of tracks with other trains as they head into city terminals.
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Thello trains, a Trenitalia-Veolia joint venture, will start operating Dec. 11th on this schedule:



What I really don't understand is why Dijon-Milano takes 75min more than Milano-Dijon
Could have something to do with maintenance in the Simplon tunnel, or in France. As soon as SBB uploads it's graphical timetables we will know more.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 08:25 PM   #535
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It leaves from Paris Lyon ? Usually night trains depart from Paris Bercy.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 09:16 PM   #536
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It leaves from Paris Lyon ? Usually night trains depart from Paris Bercy.
Artesia trains (SNCF) used to leave from Bercy, it's seems that Veolia chose Paris Lyon, which is much better.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #537
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Map Network TER Nord-Pas-de-Calais:
Major stations Lille Europe, Lille Flanders, Arras, Calais ...


TER Nord-Pas-de-Calais is the regional express transport network of the administrative region of Nord-Pas-de-Calais. With 1,300 miles of network, it is the densest network after that the Île-de-France.

The network first existed as a regional transit (TCR), which was the first in France, then in 1997 he was chosen as the test network with other networks to try the regional express transport (TER).

Regional trains are used by 112000 passengers every day.















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Old October 30th, 2011, 05:34 AM   #538
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Only 57,000 people?
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No, I was wrong these are good numbers!

Attendance

More than 112 000 passengers daily or 34.5% + attendance between 2002 and 2008 (5.6% between 2007 and 2008)

Equipment

- 74 stations with ATMs (including 13 railway lines)

- 806 TER (including 34 + TGV TERGV allowed) and 15 cars circulate daily

- 129 breakpoints in the Nord-Pas de Calais

- 1430 Km of lines

http://www.ter-sncf.com/Regions/nord...R/Default.aspx

These are pictures from the station of Lens (62), a city that will host the opening of the Louvre in 2012!
Station Lens to a form of locomotive with its large fireplace!




View of mine tailings from the docks of the Gare de Lens.

photos prise de l'internaute voyages © Gérard ROBERT

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Old November 6th, 2011, 05:14 PM   #540
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Paris suburban network

Versailles-Chantier







A TER (I don't know of what Region) bound to Montparnasse, also notice the blue double decker RER C on the other platform.

Bound to Montparnasse and coming from Rambouillet.

Bound to La Verrière and coming from La Défense
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