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Old June 25th, 2007, 09:25 PM   #41
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This is the news system of information "SIEL" on RATP RER



RER A exept the branch of Poissy and the branch of Cergy owned by Transillien Sncf
RER B exept the northern part after Gare du Nord wich was owned by Transillien Sncf
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Old June 25th, 2007, 09:38 PM   #42
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Very nice pics. I like the train design on the T2 in particular.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 09:44 PM   #43
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I hate the RER C, slow, big, not frequent, goes in the middle of nowhere.

It's such a constrast to change from B to C in Massy-Palaiseau.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 04:13 PM   #44
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Old July 15th, 2007, 05:36 PM   #45
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Saint Lazare suburban system L, Versailles Rive Droite.









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Old July 16th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #46
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I don't like the RER C, it has to many branchs,
Some branchs will be separted from the RER C.
-The branch : les Saules - Versailles Chantier
-The branch : Petit veaux - Massy Plaisanseau -Versailles Chantier
The branch "les Saules - Versailles Chantiers" doesn't exist !
The line stops at "Massy - Palaiseau", it's the branch C2.
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Old July 17th, 2007, 06:06 PM   #47
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I think he/she was taking in future terms
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Old July 17th, 2007, 11:22 PM   #48
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I was wondering what it meant when train's livery included RER/Transilien, does that mean that both SNCF and RATP jointly operate the train?
Not exactly.

Lines A & B of the RER are operated by both RATP (mostly) and SNCF (some branches) with the same type of rolling stock.

Lines C, D, E of the RER and all Transilien lines are operated by SNCF only, with another type of rolling stock, which is sometimes used by the SNCF on both its RER and Transilien lines.

Hope that answers.
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Old July 17th, 2007, 11:26 PM   #49
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yes, and the SNCF realy don't understand the principle behind the RER, their lines suck.
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Old July 18th, 2007, 12:41 AM   #50
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Yes Transillien RER is so a crap that Saint Lazare system is more efficient.
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Old July 18th, 2007, 02:14 AM   #51
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The new transillien maps (RATP RER is include)

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Old July 18th, 2007, 04:33 PM   #52
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I think he/she was taking in future terms
???

Minato ku often mixes up real projects and his wishes so I assume he wanted to say :
"I don't like the RER C, it has to many branchs,
Some branchs should be separted from the RER C."

But my answer is : "How could you remove something that doesn't exist ?"

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Old July 19th, 2007, 01:10 AM   #53
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???

Minato ku often mixes up real projects and his wishes so I assume he wanted to say :
"I don't like the RER C, it has to many branchs,
Some branchs should be separted from the RER C."

But my answer is : "How could you remove something that doesn't exist ?"
Well, actually, the branch "massy - les saules" is to be separated from the RER C with the opening of the Tram-train Evry-Massy (new name of the fromer "tangentielle sud") in 2015 or later...
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Well, actually, the branch "massy - les saules" is to be separated from the RER C with the opening of the Tram-train Evry-Massy (new name of the fromer "tangentielle sud") in 2015 or later...
I'm sorry but I think you also mix up with the branch C8: Juvisy (or Petit Vaux) - Versailles Chantiers !? The railway station "Les Saules" (branch C2) is in the city of Orly !

The "Tangentielle Ouest/Sud" (tram-train) would go from Versailles-Chantiers to Corbeil-Essonnes via Massy-Palaiseau and Evry-Courcouronnes...

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I've got to ask, what is the differences between RER and suburban services?

I know that sounds like a silly question but please humour me.

Also what are the track running arrangements - do they share tracks with other trains for example?

And which RER line is it that can't fit double deckers?

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Old July 22nd, 2007, 02:16 AM   #56
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Suburban trains stop at big terminals, RER through into Paris.
RER have also a higher frequency.... even if some branch of the SNCF Transillien SNCF RER (Line C, D and E) could have a lowest frequency than Saint Lazare suburban network.
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I've got to ask, what is the differences between RER and suburban services?
RER was thought as a metro network that would link the suburbs with the main métro network which already serve the city centre but is far too dense to reach efficiently the suburbs. That means RER stations would be more spaced out, and the city centre would be served by 5 or 6 stations only. This concept was well executed on A and B lines, with former railway lines converted for RER only and new lines created (such as Marne-la-Vallée/Disneyland branch, CDG airport branch). But for obvious economical reasons the next lines (C, D, E) have been created cheaper way by simply giving two tracks on exisiting railway lines for RER use only, though even on these lines the city centre is crossed on RER only infrastructures/tunnels while a normal suburban line would stop at a terminal. Well the poor application of the original RER concept on C, D and E lines, and their discutable operation by the SNCF company often bring people to ask what's the difference with a common commuter train.

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Also what are the track running arrangements - do they share tracks with other trains for example?
RER don't share its tracks with other systems - that's the very aim of it - in order to allow higher frequencies (up to 30/33 trains per hour each way on certain sections). Well I know one exception though, line E southeastern extension (2003) runs on 2 tracks only on a few kilometres, therefore have to share it with other trains on this particular section.

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And which RER line is it that can't fit double deckers?
All of them but B line. Actually C, D and E lines run only double deckers (though D line on the Melun branch runs single deckers as well) while on A line double deckers represent a bit less than a quarter of the rolling stock.

Hope that answers.
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Old July 23rd, 2007, 12:17 PM   #58
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RER don't share its tracks with other systems - that's the very aim of it - in order to allow higher frequencies (up to 30/33 trains per hour each way on certain sections). Well I know one exception though, line E southeastern extension (2003) runs on 2 tracks only on a few kilometres, therefore have to share it with other trains on this particular section.
RER C share its tracks between Viroflay and Saint Quentin with the Transilien and between Versailles and les Saules with freight trains and some TGV.
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Old July 23rd, 2007, 12:27 PM   #59
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It is because Transillien RER is a crap.
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This concept was well executed on A and B lines, with former railway lines converted for RER only and new lines created. But for obvious economical reasons the next lines (C, D, E) have been created cheaper way by simply giving two tracks on exisiting railway lines for RER use only, though even on these lines the city centre is crossed on RER only infrastructures/tunnels while a normal suburban line would stop at a terminal.
So what is the difference ? On each case, former railway lines have been used and some sections have created !?

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RER don't share its tracks with other systems - that's the very aim of it - in order to allow higher frequencies (up to 30/33 trains per hour each way on certain sections). Well I know one exception though, line E southeastern extension (2003) runs on 2 tracks only on a few kilometres, therefore have to share it with other trains on this particular section.
To add what Augusto says, RER A shares its tracks with trains from St Lazare between Nanterre-Université and Poissy/Cergy le Haut.


Same thing for the RER B (today) between Gare du Nord and Mitry-Claye (http://www.modernisation-rerb.com/)


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Actually C, D and E lines run only double deckers.
Are you sure ? There is no more Z5300 on the RER C ? Is it new ?
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