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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:40 PM   #581
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The line to Geneva is 1500 V DC though, and not all EuroStar sets can run under it.
Why not? Everything to the north of Paris (including Gare du Nord) is 1500 V except for the LGVs.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #582
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Not really.

All the 1500 V in France is to the SOUTH of Paris:

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...nce/france.gif
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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #583
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Not really.

All the 1500 V in France is to the SOUTH of Paris:

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...nce/france.gif
Humm, once again I am mistaken. Obviously it's not my best day, because I knew this.

Anyway, since Eurostar also serves destinations in the south of France (ski destinations for example) all their trains should already be 1500 V capable, no?
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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #584
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The line to Geneva is 1500 V DC though, and not all EuroStar sets can run under it.
Some TGV Eurostar can operate under 1500 V DC. I don't know how many, but certainly not all.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 01:05 AM   #585
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Some TGV Eurostar can operate under 1500 V DC. I don't know how many, but certainly not all.
I looked it up on Wikipedia, where I found this:
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Five of the SNCF-owned sets are quadri-voltage, being able to operate from 1,500 V DC (French lignes classiques) in the south of France; these sets are used for London–Avignon and ski services.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 09:46 AM   #586
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The line to Geneva is 1500 V DC though, and not all EuroStar sets can run under it.
It is going to be converted to 25kV though. Don't know about Bourg - Macon though. That would also need to be converted so trains can reach Geneva from Paris without passing under 1500V.

I think serving Geneva will become interesting for Eurostar once the CEVA line is complete in Geneva, because then easy connections can be offered both to the French and the Swiss Alps from the same service.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:31 AM   #587
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And also AlexNL, I thought all the 200m Three-capitals half-sets were in operation on Eurostar, with no spares. All the 'spares' are the shorter NoL half-sets in use with SCNF?

Can anyone clarify? I've always found trying to understand where the Eursotars are difficult.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 11:34 AM   #588
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Bourg-Mâcon will remain 1500 V DC for a while as SNCF has still many DC only stock.

The original Eurostar fleet consisted of:
3001-3022 Eurostar UK (11 long sets)
3101-3108 SNCB (4 long sets)
3201-3232 SNCF (16 long sets)
3301-3314 Eurostar UK (7 short sets)
3999 spare locomotive

That's 38 sets (76 half sets) and 77 locomotives. Each half set is numbered indipendently. The long ones have 9 coaches, the short ones 7 (18 and 14 plus 2 locomotives for the whole train).
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 03:17 PM   #589
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How many long sets are in the Eurostar pools? Or are some used by SNCF alongside the 7 short sets for domestic LGV Nord services?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 09:36 PM   #590
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Wikipedia says that 3 long sets are in use by SNCF for domestic services.

Set numbers: 3203/4, 3225/26, 3227/28

They can be recognized by the SNCF logo's and the TGV colored grey nose.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 10:33 PM   #591
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Today, that isn't really viable; so do they plan to increase the speed of that particular line?
Humm...it takes 90' from Paris to Bruxelles and top speed is 300 km/h: I don't think it's possible to go faster now.

Here are some pics taken the oppening day of LGV Rhin-Rhône East.

"Besançon Franche Comté TGV" new station.


"Belfort-Montbelliard-Méroux-Moval" new station


"Belfort-Montbelliard-Méroux-Moval"...no shuttle to the cuty of Belfort...


TGV Strasbourg-Montpellier.


Savoureuse's Bridge


Savoureuse's Bridge


Savoureuse's Bridge (detail)


Savoureuse's Bridge (general view)


"Belfort-Montbelliard-Méroux-Moval" at sunset


"Belfort-Montbelliard-Méroux-Moval" north face.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #592
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Nice pics, thanks.
The Savoureuse viaduct is in concrete?
Those pillars have always left me wondering if it´s in concrete or some new kind of extra-hard plastic.

On the 9th picture we can see the Belfort-Delle line.
What about it? Is the project of reopening that line progressing?
That would be great for the rail connections to Belfort city, and also to Porrentruy and Delemont in Switzerland.
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Nice pics, thanks.
The Savoureuse viaduct is in concrete?
Those pillars have always left me wondering if it´s in concrete or some new kind of extra-hard plastic.
I would guess they're steel.


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On the 9th picture we can see the Belfort-Delle line.
What about it? Is the project of reopening that line progressing?
That would be great for the rail connections to Belfort city, and also to Porrentruy and Delemont in Switzerland.
The Swiss are still pushing for a reopening. Currently it's foreseen for 2015. Plans are being drawn up, and the building should start in 2013.
The plan is to run hourly trains Biel - Delemont - Porrentruy - Delle - Belfort TGV - Belfort.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:19 AM   #594
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plus some extra Belfort-Delle trains at peak hours
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I would guess they're steel.
I'm sure they're steel.
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Anyway, I like it.
It looks smaller than it actually is.
It´s the one near Hericourt which crosses the classic Besançon-Belfort line, isn´t it?
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Calling to all French railfans - what the hell with SNCF online reservation and e-ticketing?
When I try to order a ticket from http://www.tgv-europe.com/en/ , all i got is an error page in French - http://www.voyages-sncf.com/salle_at....html?_LANG=en
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There is a new version...
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